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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 05:37 AM
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Honda has developed an HCCI engine that will offer 40% fuel economy savings and much lower emissions (HCCI is a compression engine that uses gasoline akin to a diesel - but with less soot and carcinogens)

Honda Motor Co., which has played second fiddle to Toyota Motor Corp. as a maker of gasoline-electric hybrids, may have found a way to leap ahead of its archrival: a technology capable of making a hybrid Civic to go as much as 65 miles on a gallon of gas, 30% better than the latest Civic hybrid due out later this year.

Engineers at Honda's research and development center near Tokyo said the Japanese auto maker has made substantial progress in commercializing a technology automotive engineers call "homogenous-charge compression-ignition," or HCCI, that can further enhance the fuel economy of a typical gasoline internal combustion engine -- a hot topic in automotive research labs world-wide.

Honda, according to the engineers who spoke on condition of anonymity, is ready to tout results it has made so far and show a "prototype" four-cylinder HCCI engine as early as next year in a meeting with journalists.

Mechanically, an HCCI engine, like a conventional gas engine, sends a finely balanced mixture of air and fuel to the cylinders. In a conventional gas engine, a spark plug ignites the air-fuel mixture to create power. But in an HCCI engine, the air-fuel mixture is compressed by the piston until rising heat inside the chamber ignites the mixture -- a process similar to that used in a diesel engine.

Experts believe vehicles powered by gas HCCI engines could potentially offer the eye-popping fuel economy of a diesel without high emissions of nitrogen oxides and sooty particulates. But standing in the way of an early commercialization of HCCI engines are obstacles that have sidelined the technology since auto makers first began experimenting with it in the 1970s. For one thing, it's extremely difficult to make an HCCI engine run smoothly at very low and extremely high speeds because engineers cannot control the spontaneous combustion in those ranges.

Even though gas combustion engine technology is nearly 100 years old, "the view that there is no more room for further technological advancement is completely wrong," Takeo Fukui, Honda's president and chief executive, told a group of journalists at the company's research center last week. "We will not give it up because (our engineers') efforts continue to make progress."

To make gasoline engines more efficient, Honda last year opened an Advanced Powertrain Research center in Japan to focus on improving internal-combustion technology. The aim is to tap on average as much as 40% to 50% of the thermal power generated by a gasoline engine per unit of fuel through a combination of different technologies such as HCCI -- more than doubling the efficiency of a typical gasoline-powered engine now.

According to the engineers, Honda has been able to clear obstacles to create a prototype four-cylinder HCCI engine that is running smoothly in a low to medium speed range, which they said should represent about 65% of the load range necessary to run a gasoline engine properly on the highway. The main challenge left to clear is high speeds, or above 4,000 RPMs, the engineers said. A typical Honda gasoline-fueled engine covers a range reaching 6,000 RPMs.

A key reason why a solution to evolve gasoline engine technology, such as HCCI, is critical is because the cost differential between a gasoline engine car and a hybrid vehicle still amounts to several thousand dollars. Mr. Fukui said the redesigned Civic hybrid, due to hit dealer showrooms in the U.S. this fall, will likely cost roughly $3,000 more than a comparable gasoline engine Civic. While the gap has shrunken from $4,000, it is "still too expensive" to make hybrids a truly mainstream product, Mr. Fukui said.

By boosting the fuel efficiency of a hybrid by using cutting-edge technology such as HCCI, Mr. Fukui said Honda wants to make sure consumers could more quickly make up for the cost premium of a hybrid as gasoline prices keep going up.

Honda Mulls Rear-Wheel-Drive

Honda is considering making a radical shift to its tradition of favoring front-wheel-drive vehicles for their efficiency in creating more room for drivers and passengers: developing a series of rear-wheel-drive cars.

Individuals familiar with Honda's product plans said the company already has developed a rear-wheel-drive prototype and is weighing the possibility of launching it as the next-generation Acura RL in the U.S. and the Honda Legend in Japan several years down the road.

The move, they said, is part of a continuing effort to regain the youthfulness Honda has lost after years of conservative product planning, particularly with two of its core products, the small Civic car and the medium-size Accord sedan. The rear-wheel-drive Acura RL would be the first of a series of rear-wheel-drive cars from Honda, the individuals said. The latest version of the Acura RL hit dealer showrooms in the U.S. last year.

The individuals said a key force driving Honda to consider developing rear-wheel-drive technology is changing demographics in the U.S. and Japan, two of its biggest markets worldwide. The individuals said baby-boomer generations in both countries are reaching retirement age and have more money to spend, buying more luxury vehicles than ever as a result.

One Honda sales executive said certain BMW and Mercedes brand vehicles are among the top-10 selling vehicles in Japanese metropolitan areas such as Tokyo, Nagoya and Osaka.

Honda is considering bringing to Japan the Acura franchise, Honda's sporty-near-luxury brand in the U.S. market, to take advantage of that trend, the executive said.
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 06:19 AM
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hmm a rwd s2k would be super! no wait. a rwd ctr would be super!
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 06:20 AM
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I think the thing that will could make HCCI actually work at all speed ranges is the possibility of improved variable-timing valvetrain operation (the next-generation i-VTEC?), which will allow extreme precision in air-fuel mixture control so the compression-ignition process to work throughout the rev range. If Honda succeeds, we maybe talking 30% better fuel economy regardless of engine; that means the current 3.5-liter V-6 engine could get at least 6 mpg improvement in the EPA city cycle! Or the Honda Civic getting 39 mpg in the EPA city cycle....
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MtViewGuy88
I think the thing that will could make HCCI actually work at all speed ranges is the possibility of improved variable-timing valvetrain operation (the next-generation i-VTEC?), which will allow extreme precision in air-fuel mixture control so the compression-ignition process to work throughout the rev range. If Honda succeeds, we maybe talking 30% better fuel economy regardless of engine; that means the current 3.5-liter V-6 engine could get at least 6 mpg improvement in the EPA city cycle! Or the Honda Civic getting 39 mpg in the EPA city cycle....

BMW already has an all speed range (rpm range) variable timing valvetrain.
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 06:29 AM
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This is exactly why I love Honda
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DakarM
BMW already has an all speed range (rpm range) variable timing valvetrain.
interesting history...gm was the first to look into varying the valve timing but scratched it in search of power from larger engines

fiat was the first to develop the precursor technology in the 70's offering it on several production cars - it was a simple hydraulic fulcrum system but was prone to malfunctioning

honda made the most significant leap and created a production worthy system - so well engineered there has not been a single warranty issue with its operation (honda's system switched between two camshaft lobes creating a torquey low end fuel efficient engine and a race bred high rpm high horsepower low displacement engine) - the dr jeckyl / mr hyde personality (most criticizm was lack of torque but these were always unfair comparisions as the vtec engines were always compared to larger displacement competition

honda developed 4 different systems too in the 80-90s (this doesn't even go into the i-vtec


bmw then made progress on the m50 e36 (m3) engine (bmw bought several honda cars with the worlds first vtec engines (b16a) and the nsx and studied it thoroughly...to implement it in inline engines was where bmw did their homework)...they first developed vanos which affected the intake side then double vanos which affected the exhaust side (the mechanical action was moving the fulcrum of the camshaft)

toyota also did what they could but focused instead on varying timing (which affected power and mileage to a lesser extent)

honda then mixed together cam timing and vtec to create i-vtec and we are just seeing the fruits of their labor (240hp 2.0 engines like the rsx type s - with a simple reflash)...with a 3rd evolution around the corner we should be seeing amazing technology
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jaje
interesting history...gm was the first to look into varying the valve timing but scratched it in search of power from larger engines

fiat was the first to develop the precursor technology in the 70's offering it on several production cars - it was a simple hydraulic fulcrum system but was prone to malfunctioning

honda made the most significant leap and created a production worthy system - so well engineered there has not been a single warranty issue with its operation (honda's system switched between two camshaft lobes creating a torquey low end fuel efficient engine and a race bred high rpm high horsepower low displacement engine) - the dr jeckyl / mr hyde personality (most criticizm was lack of torque but these were always unfair comparisions as the vtec engines were always compared to larger displacement competition

honda developed 4 different systems too in the 80-90s (this doesn't even go into the i-vtec


bmw then made progress on the m50 e36 (m3) engine (bmw bought several honda cars with the worlds first vtec engines (b16a) and the nsx and studied it thoroughly...to implement it in inline engines was where bmw did their homework)...they first developed vanos which affected the intake side then double vanos which affected the exhaust side (the mechanical action was moving the fulcrum of the camshaft)

toyota also did what they could but focused instead on varying timing (which affected power and mileage to a lesser extent)

honda then mixed together cam timing and vtec to create i-vtec and we are just seeing the fruits of their labor (240hp 2.0 engines like the rsx type s - with a simple reflash)...with a 3rd evolution around the corner we should be seeing amazing technology

don't forget valvetronic which is what i was really hinting at. wither way, we (consumers) don't lose
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 10:05 AM
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I'm confused about this HCCI thing and maybe someone can help me. So does this HCCI process require an all new type of fuel, does it use diesel more cleanly and efficiently, or does it somehow use standard gasoline? I'm not an engineer, but if it is the third option (using regular gas), I've always understood the fundamental difference between diesel and gas is their resistance to combustion under pressure. Maybe someone understands this more?

Anyway... the move to RWD is a solid plan, so long as they don't stop their AWD push. AWD is where the market is headed and won't abandon older Acura customers who can't or don't want RWD.
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 10:43 AM
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HCCI stands for Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition. Basically, the fuel (gasoline) and air is drawn into the cylinder like in a normal ICE, but instead of using a spark plug to ignite it, it is ignited using a high compression ratio. The idea is to reduce temperature variations in the cylinder during ignition by having the whole cylinder go off at once rather than a flame front proceeding from the spark plug down, reducing entropy loss.

I'm surprised that Honda has an HCCI engine capable of commercial use. A lot of labs (including the one I'm working with) are still dealing with ignition control across a whole range of RPM's, and variable valve timing is just plain not flexible enough to control ignition times across all RPM ranges.
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 11:11 AM
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I remembered reading about HCCI a couple of months ago. Here's the link to the Car and Driver article:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9492

It's a bit more detailed.
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