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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 01:58 PM
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DETROIT, Nov 3 (Reuters) - The following are the 20
top-selling vehicles in the United States through October, as
reported by the automakers.
Total sales of the top 20 vehicles rose 3 percent or
145,290 units to 4,967,052.
Following is a list of the top-20 selling vehicles, ranked
by total units.
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 RANK VEHICLE                     2003     2002  '02 RANK %CHG
 1 Ford F-Series pickup        696,192  681,883       1   +2.1
 2 Chevrolet Silverado pickup  568,540  535,258       2   +6.2
 3 Dodge Ram pickup            375,311  331,537       6  +13.2
 4 Toyota Camry                354,169  370,946       3   -4.5
 5 Honda Accord                343,464  337,152       8   +1.9
 6 Ford Explorer               312,940  363,719       4  -14.0
 7 Toyota Corolla/Matrix       285,014  212,164       9  +34.3
 8 Ford Taurus                 268,621  275,279       7   -2.4
 9 Honda Civic                 259,461  269,634      10   -3.8
10 Chevrolet Impala            231,526  161,001      19  +43.8
11 Chevrolet TrailBlazer       217,495  203,609      13   +6.8
12 Chevrolet Cavalier          216,534  207,388      12   +4.4
13 Dodge Caravan               200,446  207,787      11   -3.5
14 Ford Focus                  196,188  211,126      10   -7.1
15 Ford Ranger pickup          184,923  196,780      14   -6.0
16 Nissan Altima               171,875  172,248      16   -0.2
17 Jeep Grand Cherokee         163,718  178,801      18   -8.4
18 Chevrolet Tahoe             162,888  173,782      15   -6.3
19 GMC Sierra pickup           162,490  167,216      17   -2.8
20 Ford Expedition             151,593  127,638     N/A  +18.8
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 02:45 PM
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WOW, i can't believe the top 3 are all trucks. Extremely lucrative market, yet the Japanese are not jumping head first in this, considering they already conquered the sedan market.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by asianautica
WOW, i can't believe the top 3 are all trucks. Extremely lucrative market, yet the Japanese are not jumping head first in this, considering they already conquered the sedan market.
The first real competitor to the Big 3 is only now hitting the market. Toyota will most likely take things up a notch with the next Tundra (unless they like havin' a 9/10ths fullsize). But the Japanese don't really have to conquer this market. Ford sells so many versions of the F-Series it's unreal: engines, drivetrains, bed lenths, wheel bases, cab lengths, door configurations, even interiors. With all that differentiation there's a price to pay (luckily for Ford, it recoups it all with the extreme sales #'s). Nissan is only going to have four basic Titans (V6 models will be out later) and they'll make a huge amount on all of them.

Anyway, Mitsubishi will be getting a version of the next Dakota, the next Frontier should be up to 'mid-size'. I'm not so sure what the B-Series standings are, as Ford seems to like to neglect the Ranger and Mazda is going for a sportier image.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by LuckyDog
The first real competitor to the Big 3 is only now hitting the market. Toyota will most likely take things up a notch with the next Tundra (unless they like havin' a 9/10ths fullsize). But the Japanese don't really have to conquer this market. Ford sells so many versions of the F-Series it's unreal: engines, drivetrains, bed lenths, wheel bases, cab lengths, door configurations, even interiors. With all that differentiation there's a price to pay (luckily for Ford, it recoups it all with the extreme sales #'s). Nissan is only going to have four basic Titans (V6 models will be out later) and they'll make a huge amount on all of them.

Anyway, Mitsubishi will be getting a version of the next Dakota, the next Frontier should be up to 'mid-size'. I'm not so sure what the B-Series standings are, as Ford seems to like to neglect the Ranger and Mazda is going for a sportier image.
Agree, I wounder why Honda doesn't jump in as well, considering how lucrative this market is, low cost and high profit. I mean Nissan has much less $$ and they're able to start from scratch w/ the Titan, why can't Honda? Unless they don't want more profit.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by asianautica
Agree, I wounder why Honda doesn't jump in as well, considering how lucrative this market is, low cost and high profit. I mean Nissan has much less $$ and they're able to start from scratch w/ the Titan, why can't Honda? Unless they don't want more profit.

Honda has a pretty strong environmental stand. In the end it is all about profits...that's true. But they wouldn't want to alienate (sp?) the loyal buyers that love honda because of its environmental stance.

Plus, unlike nissan, Honda doesnt really have a history in trucks and they don't have a v8. Even when they do finally decide to make a v8 for production vehicles, their first v8 wouldnt likely be big enough for a full size truck. So if honda does decide they want to make a full size truck, I think we are at least 8-10 years before it actually happens.
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by zishan
Honda has a pretty strong environmental stand. In the end it is all about profits...that's true. But they wouldn't want to alienate (sp?) the loyal buyers that love honda because of its environmental stance.

Plus, unlike nissan, Honda doesnt really have a history in trucks and they don't have a v8. Even when they do finally decide to make a v8 for production vehicles, their first v8 wouldnt likely be big enough for a full size truck. So if honda does decide they want to make a full size truck, I think we are at least 8-10 years before it actually happens.
I'm going to argue with you on this one (even though I'm probably wrong about it). Nissan has a budget and very limited engineering resources, but yet they are able to build one hell of a truck from scratch...which I have no doubts that it'll be profitable. Honda from my understanding has deep pockets, and IMO the best engineers in their workforce. So I see no reason as to why Honda cannot enter into this market and make an impact in a short period of time. So I don't think they need a history in trucks nor building V8s.

I heard a very nasty rumor though that the truck Honda is going to release based on the Accord platform is suppose to be FWD????
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 05:36 AM
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by OLDZ
I'm going to argue with you on this one (even though I'm probably wrong about it). Nissan has a budget and very limited engineering resources, but yet they are able to build one hell of a truck from scratch...which I have no doubts that it'll be profitable. Honda from my understanding has deep pockets, and IMO the best engineers in their workforce. So I see no reason as to why Honda cannot enter into this market and make an impact in a short period of time. So I don't think they need a history in trucks nor building V8s.

I heard a very nasty rumor though that the truck Honda is going to release based on the Accord platform is suppose to be FWD????
That's my point exactly. Honda has much deeper pockets than Nissan, considering Nissan just came out of near bankruptcy only a few years ago. Also, they had no previous experience w/ a truck V8. The only V8 experience they had was from the Q45, which is a passenger car egine that took technology from their race engine. So, the new V8 was purely from scratch. I think it's more of a management decision more than the engineer's decision.

That rumor you heard was what was previewed by Honda a while back. It'll be Front biased AWD. And you're right, it'll be on the Accord/Pilot platform. I think basically, Nissan was much more daring, in product choice, that's why their sales are growing much faster.
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by OLDZ
I heard a very nasty rumor though that the truck Honda is going to release based on the Accord platform is suppose to be FWD????
Oddesey platform...which I believe is a stretched accord platform. I'm pretty sure it would be awd only.....but yeah its a fwd based car and I dont like the idea of a truck on a non truck platform. However, I'm sure it'll sell...people that would buy a honda truck would be likely be using it for light utility.
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by zishan
Oddesey platform...which I believe is a stretched accord platform. I'm pretty sure it would be awd only.....but yeah its a fwd based car and I dont like the idea of a truck on a non truck platform. However, I'm sure it'll sell...people that would buy a honda truck would be likely be using it for light utility.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Accord is based on the Global Midsize Platform and the Odyssey is on the Global Fullsize Platform.
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