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Old 01-09-2009, 02:02 PM
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So I am building the lower end of a b18b1 that I have in my garage. Right now I am shopping for some new pistons, wanted to keep with the OEM. Originally I was looking at the JDM type r pistons 11.1:1 I believe. But I was thinking that I want to run just a little higher compression. Don't really know whats still safe with pump gas. I was looking at the CTR 12.2-3 in the b18 from what I have heard, please correct me if I'm wrong. As far as the vtec head I plan on going with the GSR, increase of .2 compression. I just wanted to get some feedback before I go and start buying parts. Other things for the bottom end on my list were new OEM rod/main bearings ARP rod bolts and some used GSR rods.

Here is a link that I stole a lot of this info out of
http://www.geocities.com/teampimports/lsvtec.html

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Old 01-09-2009, 02:09 PM
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you dont need tons of compression to make good power. the info in that link is wrong. ctr pistons and a gsr head puts you at 13:1 or more. way to high for pump gas. p30 pistons are a better alternative. they're lighter, have a better dome, give you just enough compression, and you dont have to mod the rods to make them fit.

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Old 01-09-2009, 02:54 PM
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Ok, well I'm still looking around and came across this
http://www.ff-squad.com/tech/temp/pistons.htm
From my understanding it says the with CTR pistons and a GSR head I would run 11.8:1 or more which doesn't make too much sense because with the JDM ITR pistons would be around 11.3-4:1. I might just go with the p73 JDM...
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Even around 12:1 you should be ok as long as you're running premium. I'm running 13.5:1 with my GS-R and run 93 octane in the winter, the temp outside makes a difference.
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So what hp you're looking for? Also what shell is the B18B going in?
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I don't have a hp goal... I am in the process of getting my ASE certification and had the option to take some machining classes. So this term I am taking lower engine machining. In the fall I bought a 95 Integra that had a bad motor, in the middle of putting a JDM b18b1 + tranny in it. So with the old motor sitting around I thought I would build the ls vtec that I wanted. This will be going in my car when I'm done (listed in Sig) I do weekend drag racing at the local track here.
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After reading this thread at Honda-tech I just don't know who to believe anymore...

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=717928


PR3 head/B16 Block

STD = 11.643438609136867
.25 OS = 11.703231023151065

PR3 head/B17 Block

STD = 12.193487116069006
.25 OS = 12.256369577319077

PR3 head/B18C Block

STD = 12.58636786521145
.25 OS = 12.649248792586258

P72 head/B18C Block

STD = 12.924594026551906
.25 OS = 12.989047869209281

PR3 head/B18A/B Block

STD = 12.825536009218106
.25 OS = 12.88971493738735

P72 head/B18A/B Block

STD = 13.170743903246784
.25 OS = 13.236528215133324

All calculated using OEM 3 layer gasket @ .026 and the compression height provided by Omniman
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Well if that's the case, go with boring it oversized. You will see more gains here, without needing to raise compression as much.
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there's no reason to run ctr pistons when p30 or jdm p73's give you plenty of compression and are a lot lighter
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Originally Posted by Snoopy
there's no reason to run ctr pistons when p30 or jdm p73's give you plenty of compression and are a lot lighter
Yeah, after lookin around a lot I think I'm going with the JDM p73...



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