On paper the STI looks great 300HP,300TQ that's nice, but I've never driven one (Even though their popular as hell in Europe), not even an EVO so AJ's comments are interesting about the specs. I think a four door Subaru would be a lot heavier, plus the all wheel drive. So you sacrifice a lot when you switch from an ITR to a Scooby or EVO. Not a lot can match the acceleration of that R to it's rev limit. It's somthing out of this world! (for me at least) Think about it, that low sance of the ITR the B18C5 scream, the box look of the STI, the handling of the R, need I say more? :twisted:


Speed junkie 101

 

Yeah, that's really an excellent point, the STi and EVO are paper bulls, they may be stated out well, but in actuality, lateral grip on the skid pad and slalom only mean if you drive both cars in circles or through closely placed cones one may proce to be better than the other. In all reality though, I dont drive in circles, and I dont often run into cones while I'm on the street, well, unless I've been drinking a lot. The ITR really is a more fun car to drive. Drive both, and I think you may tend to agree......

Later,
Aj

 

Well Spoken... :twisted:

Speed junkie 101

 

Here we go again !! Ever since the WRX came to be, everyone is comparing it to the ITR and saying how much faster the WRX is. HELLO !!! These are two entirely different cars built with different intentions. Don't compare them. Buy and drive what you like and what you can afford. The Scooby is an awesome car in its class and so is the ITR.

 

ok i like both cars but you are all right its comparing 2 totally different things. for one the sti is turbo and 2.0 with all wheel drive while the R is 1.8 N/A front wheel drive. that right there is enough because a turbo in any car will totally change the car. ( the neon for example) the all wheel vs. front drive is totally unfair too because they also have a differential control to change the power ratio so they could probably be great drift cars with a good driver whilethe R is front and for the most part alot of people can hadel it to a decent level, not to extremes tho.

i just think you shouldnt be looking at these 2 car trying to compare them because the R is truely a factory race car but is has some nice "Lurury" features too it. the STI is a bigger car i think they come in at close to 3000 lbs thats almost 500 lb difference between the 2.

you should be comparing the STI and the EVO for 2 good cars to compare because of the fact that they weigh about the same and have very close horsepower. my opinion tho would be to have both

 

After reading a couple of mag review on STi & Evo, I think Evo would have similar characteristics as an R on the streets & at the track.

But, strictly comparing an STi & an R, I would keep the R if it's my weekend/autoX/track car. If it's for everyday driving, I would much rather have a 4-dr w/ 300hp. ITR isn't that comfortable to commute in. I've done it for 9 months straight and it wasn't comfortable. (hash suspension on local roads + lack of torque)

If I had $35k and had an option of choosing between the two (both new), I would probably try out the STi (for daily driver + weekend/autoX/track). If you don't like it, sell it and get an R.

 

I recently looked at both the STi and the EVO as a replacement vehicle.

I decided to keep the ITR and use an EP3 for daily transport.

Although both cars are big steps up from the ITR, performance wise, neither of them seemed to offer enough of a performance advantage to be worth dumping the ITR.

The EVO driving experience is a little more raw and a little more like the ITR experience than the STi is.

However, I've heard a couple of knowledgeable people say that they'd buy the STi instead, simply because of Subaru's reliability record and warranty experience.

 

subaru's reliability record?

historically they have been notoriously problamatic vehicles. They are well known for thier head gasket leaks, among other problems.

I have never heard someone touting subaru as having a good reliability record.

That said i think they have made huge leaps in the last few years, but lets wait and see what the newer models look like at 100k or 150k to start touting them as having a good reliability record.

 

I think you guys are all a little too biased towards the ITR. I own one and love it, but dont think its the god of all cars. The STI is practically a supercar with stock 1/4 mile as quick as 13.1 and handling to match, not to mention the convenience of a 4 door and the aftermarket potential of a turbo. Other features that i like is that it has the rarity of a type R and all wheel drive. I dont think think there is any car including the type R, other than the evo 8 that can come anywhere close to matching the STI in all around performance and convenience. Just my opinion though and i respect all the others...

ADAM