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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 06:13 PM
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arite i decided not to go with eibach and went with h&r race springs instead..the drop is 2.0 in the front. and 1.75 in the back...with tokico blue struts on...am i going to need a camber kit....and if so please give me specifics on what to get and stuff cause i know nothing about camber kits....im also rolling on 17's .....97 gsr...peace
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 08:57 PM
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I was at an alignment shop once that said you didn't need camber kits. I had one in my Accord with Eibachs, and it sucked...some part of my suspension was rubbing the inside of the wheel wells while I drove. I don't why the hell it was doing that. The alignment shop told me that the camber kits didn't really do much. I'd check with an alignment shop first and see what they say about correcting the camber on your car.
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 11:04 PM
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thanks man....yea this guy that does supspension work at a bodyshop told me that camber kits are overated and are acutally worse for your car cause it dosent let the car bend enough and could cause more damage...i dont know? if anyone else has any info let me know...
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 11:15 PM
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My Ingalls kit works just fine, except for the squeaking thats easily remedied.

With your H&R's you're definitely going to need a camber kit.

I dont know what your alignment guys are thinking, my camber kit is one of my favorite aspects of my suspension, as it enabled me to even up my front degree to my rear so i have a balanced camber set up, as well as save tires, and improve ride quality.
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 12:51 AM
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I don't remember what brand I had...whatever it was, don't get that one. As long as your alignment guy knows what he's doing, it should be fine. If he says he has to bend anything or structurally modify suspension components to correct the camber, don't do it. Make sure the shop has plenty of experience with lowered cars.

The shop I went to first was full of a bunch of morons, they're the ones that said "this kit will fix it." I had to go to another shop to fix the problems the first shop caused by installing the kit.

Spec R (if you're still following this thread): did they have to modify your rear control arms to get the kit in? They did something to mine, I'm not sure what...i imagine that was part of the problem right there.

The moral of the story: don't be a dumbass like me and let other dumbasses install stuff on your car.
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 01:19 AM
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I've got Skunk2 camber kit which has +-4 degrees. My tegs dropped around 2 inches and the negative camber on the front wasn't that drastic before I adjusted it. The G3 integra doesn't need a camber kit in the back for that small a drop. If you're running on 14 or 15 inch wheels, then the tire wear isn't going to be that significant, but if you really need to straighten out the front wheels, then all you need is something which does minor camber +2 degrees or less. Note: autocross racers adjust their wheels for a lot of negative camber because it gives better traction in turns.

Also, a camber kit isn't going to do any damage to your car. All it does is allow you to adjust the angle the wheels face outward. In fact the Skunk2 camber kit is basically a replacement for your A-arm which has a moving slider you can adjust and tighten.

If you drop low enough to need a camber kit in the back then there's a simple way to do it which costs less than $5. You just replace two bolts with longer bolts and slide on 3/8" washers to adjust the angle of the rear wheels. Most people do it this way, unless they race and have to adjust on the fly.

P.S. Doesn't anyone use the search button? I swear there's 3 other threads on this one page in which I said the same thing.



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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by azn_redneck
Spec R (if you're still following this thread): did they have to modify your rear control arms to get the kit in? They did something to mine, I'm not sure what...i imagine that was part of the problem right there.
I came reallly close to buying the rear kit, but after learning that the factory tolerances for the rear camber is -2 degrees, i saw no need to purchase one. I didnt even use the "washer" trick, because the rears read out at -1.2 degrees, which is perfectly acceptable for the rear.
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Spec R
I came reallly close to buying the rear kit, but after learning that the factory tolerances for the rear camber is -2 degrees, i saw no need to purchase one. I didnt even use the "washer" trick, because the rears read out at -1.2 degrees, which is perfectly acceptable for the rear.
I'm not sure what tolerances the Accord had...oh well. I have no plans to lower to truck so I don't really have to worry about that sorta thing anymore. Of course, the next time I buy a car...
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Old Jun 15, 2003 | 12:40 AM
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Oh yeah, for everyone's reference...

You're going to want more negative camber in the front, relative to the rear in an integra. Doing so causes the suspension balance to move away from understeer tendencies and more towards oversteer (I'm not saying that it will cause oversteer, just "less" understeer...it takes more than just a camber kit to make a non-ITR integra oversteer)

A popular modification to reduce understeer on the track or die-hard mountain/canyon runners is to run wider tires in the front than the back, for example 205/50/15 front and 195/50/15 in the rear...
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Old Jun 15, 2003 | 02:22 AM
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I post this picture for everyone who thinks they don't need a camber kit if they are going lower than 3/4 of an inch:

click here

This was on a 2.25" drop after only 2 or so months. It's not worth buying new tires to NOT get a camber kit.
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