Just tryin' to stir up some conversation.

I'm running polyurethan engine mounts. Good suspension which doesn't act like jello everytime I shift from 1st to 2nd, and help keep force on the front.

They sell bars that help reduce wheel hop. I believe moroso makes em, but they make you handle like crap.

Z10 engineeringrods, are suppose to remove wheel hop all together. I'm looking into them next.

What do you guys run? What have you found useful? Got any idea which you think may help? Post it.
Let's get some real conversation going.

 

z10 bars are awesome, my roomate has them. They didn't hurt handling at all, in fact they helped. He was having major wheel hop/traction problems, and then installed the bars and the wheel hop was gone.

 

Do they make them for 5th gen civic sedans?

My buddy has an '01 GSR and he's been thinking about getting them for a while now... they look like they're a good mod to have!

 

Yeah they make them for the 5th gen sedans, I actually know a guy with a 5th gen sedan with a built b20vtec...with the z10s...

 

If your worried about wheel hop, you have to understand what causes it. When you launch from a dead stop, your slamming a tremendous amount of power through the wheels. The problem is your tires don't push, they turn. When you first slam that power through the wheels, they want to rotate and move forward. Idealy the car is pulled along with them, but that doesn't always happen. As the wheels begin to move forward they do so by simply stretching the rubber bushings in your suspension leaving the car behind. The bushings quickly bind as they stretch as far as they can and the wheels comes snapping back when the bushings do a pretty good impression of a rubber band. You will start moving but this kills traction as the wheels shake and don't get a good grip. This vibration can be transmited back to the engine and if you have soft engine mounts, they can cause the engine to shake too (watch some cars launch at the drag strip, you can even see the exhaust shake like crazy). This also obviously doesn't help traction and all this motion can cause all kinds of strange forces on the axle's and snap them.

So what can you do? Keep the suspension from allowing the wheels to move like that. Well what exacting is allowing that? The factory EG/EK/DC suspensions use a LCA that goes between the engine subframe and the bottom of the hub. This is held by a bar that goes back towards the body and helps limit the forward/backwards motion. Replacing the rubber bushings in that LCA and the rear bars's mounting point with polyurathane bushings are one solution. The stiffer material has less give and will help hold the wheel properly centered and allows the suspension to work properly. Z10 bars and the like add another link that goes forward and doesn't allows the LCA to move forwards or backwards at all. This basically elimiates wheels hop because the LCA can't move. Both of these will have benefits other than limiting wheel hop as simply not letting the rubber bushings put slop into your suspension will give you a more stable handling car. The rubbers there for a reason though and you will suffer a rougher ride.

The best solutions would be both, but either will probably be more than sufficent for a street / ocassional track car. I personally have ES suspension bushings and engine mounts and I'm satisfied. The ride is stiffer but definately tolerable. Wheel hop is basically gone with my setup and the car launches smoothly with just a clean forwad burn (still needs a LSD). Hope that helps. Seeya.

 

who else makes traction bar besides z10? wheel hop is a concern for me with an h22a in a 94 hatch...i keep hearing the z10 setup wont clear my oilpan....

 

moroso i believe makes traction bars for the civic. i'm not sure.
i also hear moroso offer light weight lca's, but i've never seen them advertise either one. i can try to find out for sure if you like.

 

i have seen that Competition Engineering also has the lightweight LCA's as well....I think it is unfortuneate that civc/tegs have the problem while accords come from the factory with radius rods. I know I cant afford to fix the problem right now with my civic, but learning who makes the stuff and the right fixes at least gets me going int he right direction.
any info you have or can find would be welcomed...
thanks

 

The Moroso ones work good for the H22 civic. Thats what I ran on my H22 coupe and will be running on my H22 hatch(currently building). 2.0 60 fts on street tires.

 

i feel kind of dumb...competition engineering=moroso