Tornbonator?
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don't do anything to your car unless you want to boost. Everything else is pretty much just a waste of money because to get anything you'll be:
A) paying more than you would for boost
B) be getting less for that money
theres not enough in basic bolt-ons to warrant some of their high prices, esp. when the hit to the resale value is factored in.
with all the stuff primetime mentioned you'll be looking at maybe 10-15 horse at the crank, and on top of that you'll lose throttle response to the new CAI. and a throttle body is a hair brained idea as well.
i suggest you focus on getting suspension work done if you want the car to feel faster, it will give you the most noticeable gains in adrenaline, if thats what you're looking for.
A) paying more than you would for boost
B) be getting less for that money
theres not enough in basic bolt-ons to warrant some of their high prices, esp. when the hit to the resale value is factored in.
with all the stuff primetime mentioned you'll be looking at maybe 10-15 horse at the crank, and on top of that you'll lose throttle response to the new CAI. and a throttle body is a hair brained idea as well.
i suggest you focus on getting suspension work done if you want the car to feel faster, it will give you the most noticeable gains in adrenaline, if thats what you're looking for.
i don't know if you noticed but i said for starters!! he is going to get more HP from doing the exhaust system then putting a turbonator on his car!! And yeah all motor is going to cost more if you completely build the motor and do it the right way the first time versus a basis turbo kit on a stock motor.
Most people get tired of pushing 220-240 hp with the basic kit and end up buying a bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, bigger injectors, large exhaust systems and switch to forged internals to push more psi and HP which equals more money, and no a little more. for a good turbo kit with everything included your looking at between $2600-$3300 depending on the kit and atleast another $2500 in parts not to mention more tuning and dyno time! so your looking at around $6000 to $6500 for a turbo set-up you can be proud of versus $3800 for a all motor set up that you can be proud of. it all depends on what someone is trying to do and the amount of moey a person is willing to spend!
Last edited by primetime; Feb 14, 2007 at 06:40 AM.
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i don't know if you noticed but i said for starters!! he is going to get more HP from doing the exhaust system then putting a turbonator on his car!! And yeah all motor is going to cost more if you completely build the motor and do it the right way the first time versus a basis turbo kit on a stock motor.
Most people get tired of pushing 220-240 hp with the basic kit and end up buying a bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, bigger injectors, large exhaust systems and switch to forged internals to push more psi and HP which equals more money, and no a little more. for a good turbo kit with everything included your looking at between $2600-$3300 depending on the kit and atleast another $2500 in parts not to mention more tuning and dyno time! so your looking at around $6000 to $6500 for a turbo set-up you can be proud of versus $3800 for a all motor set up that you can be proud of. it all depends on what someone is trying to do and the amount of moey a person is willing to spend!
Most people get tired of pushing 220-240 hp with the basic kit and end up buying a bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, bigger injectors, large exhaust systems and switch to forged internals to push more psi and HP which equals more money, and no a little more. for a good turbo kit with everything included your looking at between $2600-$3300 depending on the kit and atleast another $2500 in parts not to mention more tuning and dyno time! so your looking at around $6000 to $6500 for a turbo set-up you can be proud of versus $3800 for a all motor set up that you can be proud of. it all depends on what someone is trying to do and the amount of moey a person is willing to spend!
all labor included you'd probably looking at around 5k+, even regardless, a boost setup will still give ore power. even something like a JRSC, as dumb as they are, will most likely overtake a NA car with the same cash dropped in.
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what kind of car is this?
and i'd get an SRI if anything cheap IMHO. TBS's are just a waste, they do nothing
:edit: you have a d-series motor... NA upgrades will do next to nil for you unless you want all top end-- at which point you'll need to do major head work to keep it flowing. honestly, not worth the money... get suspension upgrades unless you are ready for boost
and i'd get an SRI if anything cheap IMHO. TBS's are just a waste, they do nothing
:edit: you have a d-series motor... NA upgrades will do next to nil for you unless you want all top end-- at which point you'll need to do major head work to keep it flowing. honestly, not worth the money... get suspension upgrades unless you are ready for boost
Last edited by sherwood; Feb 14, 2007 at 10:18 AM.
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i dont want to get into this debate but there are little to no gains in the NA arena without extensive work to the rotating assembly, block and head.
all labor included you'd probably looking at around 5k+, even regardless, a boost setup will still give ore power. even something like a JRSC, as dumb as they are, will most likely overtake a NA car with the same cash dropped in.
all labor included you'd probably looking at around 5k+, even regardless, a boost setup will still give ore power. even something like a JRSC, as dumb as they are, will most likely overtake a NA car with the same cash dropped in.
carlmax, if you want more power i would suggest saving your money and doing a swapp to a b18a/b/c thats going to give you more power over any d series motor. and later on if you want to go all motor or boost have at it.
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i have been doing extensive work to my head and block and i haven't hit the 3k mark yet and i almost done! i do tend to disagree with a FI car alway beating a built NA car just because i'm positive a lot of people beside myself have seen NA's beat FI's before.
carlmax, if you want more power i would suggest saving your money and doing a swapp to a b18a/b/c thats going to give you more power over any d series motor. and later on if you want to go all motor or boost have at it.
carlmax, if you want more power i would suggest saving your money and doing a swapp to a b18a/b/c thats going to give you more power over any d series motor. and later on if you want to go all motor or boost have at it.
theres no use in him trying to make any power here. he should sell the car and buy something with a nicer engine in it already, why risk completely destroying the resale with a swap.. it's just going to cost in the long run.
to the thread starter-- if you want to just get doing some car work the regular I/H/E setup will work out.. just don't expect any real gains.
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Are we really arguing N/A vs. F/I again? 
I have said it once and I will say it again: For equal amounts of money spent on either setup, a boosted setup will always be faster...especially on a d-series.
I have said it once and I will say it again: For equal amounts of money spent on either setup, a boosted setup will always be faster...especially on a d-series.