safer? huh? no. you are doing mods like a cam gear without tuning. you are more liable to screw something up andwithout proper tuning it's not worth anything.

the only thing thats really worth anything is going F/I or high horsepower NA with major internal and headwork modifications.


F/I is the best bang for the buck, turbo and supercharager are the only ways to go to feel positive gains.

 

oooo alright so then i shouldnt do shit i should jus do sum good internal work tuned ?> and wats an f/i?

 

f/i = forced induction = turbo or supercharger

You can do cam gears just set them to zero until you tune them. If you don't plan to tune, don't get them. I really never saw a need until I upgraded my cams and was pushing 23 psi.

 

get engine management... i use crome, it's free and it only cost me $20 to chip my own ecu... this can give you a free 10+ hp if you tune your powerband to lambda (perfect air:fuel ratio which is 13.7:1)

honda doesnt tune your ecu to run at lambda from the factory to make better gas mileage...

plus engine management will make every bolt-on mod you buy give you more horsepower when you tune your engine... crome makes most bolt on mods and turbos as easy as changing some settings...

when tuning though, data aquisition and a dyno will make your life much easier... try an ostrich realtime emulator... it allows you to hook a laptop to your ecu and collect data... then you can instantly change and upload your new settings to your ecu on the fly while you drive... i have even heard of some software that gathers your data and projects where you could make more horsepower and changes your program.. this is the 'autotune'

 

1. It costs more than $20 to tune. You have to factor in a chip burner, wideband, laptop, chips, rom editor (if applicable).
2. Stoich A/F is 14.7:1. You only want 14.7:1 at idle.
3. Lambda is the wideband voltage for any given a/f ratio.
4. You must have datalogging to tune. Blindly changing fuel and ignition values is retarded and will cause more harm than good.
5. An ostrich doesn't datalog. It real-time emulates.
6. Crome pro has autotune, but it changes the fuel values to meet target lambda, which is set by the user.
7. To my knowledge, F22 bin files aren't even supported in Crome, so the post is irrelevant anyway.

 

you are right, an f22 isn't supported...

but you can chip your ecu, convert it yourself, and add a data logging header for literally $20 dude with parts from www.digikey.com ...

check out hondata and www.pgmfi.org ....

 

Yeah, I am well aware. Trust me, I have tuned a few cars before. I know what is involved in chipping, tuning, datalogging, and emulating.

Good luck getting a .bin file to a chip for $20 minus the cost of the chip, soldering iron, solder, laptop, etc, etc, etc.

 

i wanna tunem y shit i dnt have any idea what to do i jus started driving my accord