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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 06:04 AM
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How do you adjust the timing advance for a LS motor i want to do it. but dont know how. also i need a timing light where can i get that and what tools do i need. I want to advance it 30 degrees i think.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 06:07 AM
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you can get a timing light at autozone or any autoparts store. Try adjusting your distributor for the timing.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by b18c1_hatch
I want to advance it 30 degrees i think.
Why don't you research and learn what your about to do before doing it. You want to advance your timing 30 degree's....? Did someone tell you that you should do this or something? whats the purpose for wanting to advance your timing?
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by b16ahybrid
Why don't you research and learn what your about to do before doing it. You want to advance your timing 30 degree's....? Did someone tell you that you should do this or something? whats the purpose for wanting to advance your timing?
My thoughts exactly. There is absolutely no good reason to advance timing. People think that you will get more power from it, but you don't and it just makes your gas mileage suck even more.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 01:42 PM
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Well my friends integra has advanced timing when he bought the car. the owner told him that it had advanced timing. and it does get really shitty gas mileage. but he says there is a diffrenet but what the hell is the point to advance the timing. why would you do it
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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what do u have done to your ls motor? if its stock you shouldnt mess with the timing and leave it to the factory settings. People usually advanced the timing on their motors if they use a different octane rating of fuel. Low octane fuel will require you to retard the timing and high octane fuel will require you to advance your timing. Also the heat range of your spark plug can effect what ignition timing can be used. Another reason is if you change the rpm limit of your motor, then you would have to change your timing. Baseically advancing and retarding the timing is mostly used b/c of abnormal combustion such as your motor knocking or having preignition. In abnormal combustion, the air, something in the combustion chamber or even the whole chamber is too hot for the fuel or it is compressed too high which itself causes the temperature to raise too high, causing the fuel to explode. This explosion produces extremely high temperature in a certain spot and causes a pressure spike so high and quick that it is like a hammer strike. So in plain english, if your motor is stock then dont advance your timing unless you hear a knocking or pinging sound.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 12:21 PM
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damn dude i wish every question i asked was was explained and answered like that. thanks.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by b18c1_hatch
. what the hell is the point to advance the timing. why would you do it

That my friend is why you should research before dong anything.


mikemerc85 touched on the topic in a "round about way".
I'll explain it in lamens terms as best as I can.
simply put, advancing your timing can and will increase performance if you have the mods to support the extra timing advance. Just turning your distributor (like 90% of the peolpe that advance their timing do) will advance your base timing (or static) is plain reatarded it advances everything (timing for everything). If your going to play with your timing you need to differentiate between cam timing and ignition timing. Cam timing can be addressed by cam gears. You can dial in your cam timing by using "adjustable cam gears" it's a great tool but needs to be done in a controlled environment (dyno). Or you can adjust your ignition timing (when the spark plugs fire) messing with that needs to be done through the ecu in the form of a pigglyback ignition control (btm, trc-1/2 etc) or programable set-up such as hondata or aem. Advancing your timing without the proper mods to support it can and will result in poor fuel economy, higher emissions, and incomplete combustion. And in some cases a blown motor because of pre-ignition or "pinging".
Stock timing is pretty good, it works good for most mild N/A set-ups and mild boosted set-ups. I've ran stock timing on my b16a and boost with no issues (9psi ~ 226whp) but thats in the past.

Stock static timing for the most part is around 16 degree's depending on the motor though. If your thinking of advancing that to 30 degree's......it's not going to happen......


Oh back to what mikemerc85 was saying ... about octane.
The higher the octane the more resistant to burn it is (less likely to ignite in extreem pressures pre-maturely).
You run high octane fuel to prevent pre-ignition. When you advance your timing it increases cylinder pressure, higher cyliner pressure can result in more hp in a controlled environment, but randonly advancing your timing isn't a controlled envoronment, tuning on a dyno is more of a controlled environment.

Sorry if it's all over the place but I keep getting pulled away from the computer and I lose my train of thought..
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Old Apr 23, 2005 | 04:47 AM
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You don't want to advance it too much or it'll end up firing when it is too close to TDC which would make it reach maximum cylinder pressure too early and the downward force generated will be trying to push your crank out the oil pan instead of spinning it. Not good for the internals.
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Old Apr 24, 2005 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by b16ahybrid
That my friend is why you should research before dong anything.


mikemerc85 touched on the topic in a "round about way".
I'll explain it in lamens terms as best as I can.
simply put, advancing your timing can and will increase performance if you have the mods to support the extra timing advance. Just turning your distributor (like 90% of the peolpe that advance their timing do) will advance your base timing (or static) is plain reatarded it advances everything (timing for everything). If your going to play with your timing you need to differentiate between cam timing and ignition timing. Cam timing can be addressed by cam gears. You can dial in your cam timing by using "adjustable cam gears" it's a great tool but needs to be done in a controlled environment (dyno). Or you can adjust your ignition timing (when the spark plugs fire) messing with that needs to be done through the ecu in the form of a pigglyback ignition control (btm, trc-1/2 etc) or programable set-up such as hondata or aem. Advancing your timing without the proper mods to support it can and will result in poor fuel economy, higher emissions, and incomplete combustion. And in some cases a blown motor because of pre-ignition or "pinging".
Stock timing is pretty good, it works good for most mild N/A set-ups and mild boosted set-ups. I've ran stock timing on my b16a and boost with no issues (9psi ~ 226whp) but thats in the past.

Stock static timing for the most part is around 16 degree's depending on the motor though. If your thinking of advancing that to 30 degree's......it's not going to happen......


Oh back to what mikemerc85 was saying ... about octane.
The higher the octane the more resistant to burn it is (less likely to ignite in extreem pressures pre-maturely).
You run high octane fuel to prevent pre-ignition. When you advance your timing it increases cylinder pressure, higher cyliner pressure can result in more hp in a controlled environment, but randonly advancing your timing isn't a controlled envoronment, tuning on a dyno is more of a controlled environment.

Sorry if it's all over the place but I keep getting pulled away from the computer and I lose my train of thought..

I think the only mods il be doing to this motor is prolly IHE Maybe a intake manifold and trottle body and pullys.
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