unsolvable brake problem need help
#1
unsolvable brake problem need help
I have a 91 honda crx dx. for some reason the brakes engage themselves without assistance from the driver and the only way to get them to release is to either release the pressure from the system by bleeding a little or shutting down the engine and them pumping the brakes till they get hard and letting the car sit for about 10 to 20 minutes. during the time the brakes are engaged i have had the car lifted and all 4 wheels are locked completly and the longer i go without releasing pressure in the system the harder the brakes engage to the point where i cant even drive the car and the car can be on a 60 degree hill in neutral(manuel transmission by the way) and not roll at all. i have changed just about everything in the brake system. here is all the things replaced. 2 front calpiers, 2 rotors and all pads, 2 rear brake cylinders, 2drums, 2 sets of hardware and all shoes, 2 front brake hoses, power booster, master cylinder twice, proportioning valve(used from a civic in the junkyard). Also the metal brake line in going to the right back wheel was severed and has a compression union(however that seems not to be the problem since that wheel bleeds easily). Also all 4 tires bleed easily.
i have brought this car to numerous shops many times and no one seems to know how to fix this problem anyone have any ideas.
i have brought this car to numerous shops many times and no one seems to know how to fix this problem anyone have any ideas.
Last edited by drahgon55; 01-03-2006 at 08:17 AM.
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I would look at the brake power booster. (since the problem locks up all 4 wheels)
Are the mechanical connections between the power booster & the master cylinder, and the brake pedal & the power booster adjusted correctly?
Are the mechanical connections between the power booster & the master cylinder, and the brake pedal & the power booster adjusted correctly?
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Assuming you don't have anti-lock brakes,
The factory manual for the 88 CRX (you can find it online) is very specific on:
-Pushrod Clearance Adjustment, page 13-25 (that the gap between the booster and the master cylinder)
-Pushrod Adjustment, page 13-24 (provides the correct pushrod length to connect the brake pedal to the booster)
It sounds like one or both of these is not adjusted correctly (which might be putting pressure on the brakes without your foot being on the brake pedal; maybe, there's some kind of positive feedback loop that makes the problem worse as you hit/release the brake pedal)
If all else fails, call your local honda dealership and talk to one of their technical assistance people.
The factory manual for the 88 CRX (you can find it online) is very specific on:
-Pushrod Clearance Adjustment, page 13-25 (that the gap between the booster and the master cylinder)
-Pushrod Adjustment, page 13-24 (provides the correct pushrod length to connect the brake pedal to the booster)
It sounds like one or both of these is not adjusted correctly (which might be putting pressure on the brakes without your foot being on the brake pedal; maybe, there's some kind of positive feedback loop that makes the problem worse as you hit/release the brake pedal)
If all else fails, call your local honda dealership and talk to one of their technical assistance people.
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To me it sounds like your brake fluid got contaminated. Check the fluid. And if it is contaminated you would need to change the master cyclinder and all the seals in the brake calipers and wheel cyclinders. Thats only if the system was contaminated. And don't forget to flush the system out.
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Originally Posted by ChrisS
Assuming you don't have anti-lock brakes,
The factory manual for the 88 CRX (you can find it online) is very specific on:
-Pushrod Clearance Adjustment, page 13-25 (that the gap between the booster and the master cylinder)
-Pushrod Adjustment, page 13-24 (provides the correct pushrod length to connect the brake pedal to the booster)
It sounds like one or both of these is not adjusted correctly (which might be putting pressure on the brakes without your foot being on the brake pedal; maybe, there's some kind of positive feedback loop that makes the problem worse as you hit/release the brake pedal)
If all else fails, call your local honda dealership and talk to one of their technical assistance people.
The factory manual for the 88 CRX (you can find it online) is very specific on:
-Pushrod Clearance Adjustment, page 13-25 (that the gap between the booster and the master cylinder)
-Pushrod Adjustment, page 13-24 (provides the correct pushrod length to connect the brake pedal to the booster)
It sounds like one or both of these is not adjusted correctly (which might be putting pressure on the brakes without your foot being on the brake pedal; maybe, there's some kind of positive feedback loop that makes the problem worse as you hit/release the brake pedal)
If all else fails, call your local honda dealership and talk to one of their technical assistance people.
it could also be the master cylinder not allowing the fluid to flow back into the unit(1 way flow on brakes bad )
#9
Originally Posted by onegreedy
this guy is correct, it sounds like your push rod is out of adjustment, probly putting a little pressure on the master cylinder then when you press the brakes and release they do not release and slowly get tighter and tighter
it could also be the master cylinder not allowing the fluid to flow back into the unit(1 way flow on brakes bad )
it could also be the master cylinder not allowing the fluid to flow back into the unit(1 way flow on brakes bad )
and it couldnt be the master cylinder because i had changed it twice already.
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ok well my problem is solved finally. it actually wasnt even the pushrod. the problem was simply a spacer between master cylinder and the power booster. crazy huh. thanks everyone for your help.