rerouting a/c into CAI
Mr Clutch
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From: In your girls....
If I'm correct,.. the ac produces parasitic loss,.. which cause the reduction in hp.
Aren't there pullies etc,..nowadays that do away with parasitic loss??
This is not a bad idea,.. I've heard worse.
Aren't there pullies etc,..nowadays that do away with parasitic loss??
This is not a bad idea,.. I've heard worse.
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From: Texas
Originally Posted by polakatl
u can spray water into the engine to cool it. I heard of turbo setups using water to cool the charge air in the engine instead of intercoolers. Freaked the hell out of me, but I guess it worked for them. You would think an engine and water don't mix but its possible.
Your engine uses a lot of air and the a/c would not be able to keep up.
Wedley2: I like the BOV idea. I got my a/c boosting my engine psssshh
Your engine uses a lot of air and the a/c would not be able to keep up.
Wedley2: I like the BOV idea. I got my a/c boosting my engine psssshh
As far as cooling goes, you could spray pressurized air through several small venturi into the air intake before the throttle body. Of course, it takes energy to pump with the kind of pressure you'd need, so the power benefit wouldn't be realised unless you could scavenge wasted power from elsewhere.
bboy Wesley West
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From: six-five-o
Originally Posted by mrksts
I remember years ago that people were using water injection to keep detonation from happening. It seems plausable for cooling (as minimal as it might be) As far as hp gains I wouldn't expect a lot from it, but it might work. Cars always run better when the air is damp and cool outside. IMO it would be better to spray it in a very fine mist. You'd need a water supply to use, maybe the a/c drainage? :dunno: but that might not be enough volume to keep up. You could use a small 12v pump, which would rob almost no power.
As far as cooling goes, you could spray pressurized air through several small venturi into the air intake before the throttle body. Of course, it takes energy to pump with the kind of pressure you'd need, so the power benefit wouldn't be realised unless you could scavenge wasted power from elsewhere.
As far as cooling goes, you could spray pressurized air through several small venturi into the air intake before the throttle body. Of course, it takes energy to pump with the kind of pressure you'd need, so the power benefit wouldn't be realised unless you could scavenge wasted power from elsewhere.
BMW Tech
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From: Suffolk County, NY
to have the a/c idea to work for our hondas we would need to relocate the evaporator somehow in between the air filter and the throttle body. but then that would mean that there would be no more a/c inside the cabin.
i highly doubt that you could hook up 2 evaporators because of the process of the low pressure liquid liquid going into a low pressure gas throught the first one and it would probably freeze up the 2nd evaporator which would cause the system to work intermittantly
another thing is that it would contradict the part of the water injection which is used to cool down the engine because the a/c also removes humidity from the air which is water.
if you relocated the a/c evaporator out of the cabin and put it in the engine bay and used a high amperage electric motor to run the a/c compressor then it might be worth while. but without changeing it to electric then it wouldnt really make up for moving the evaporator.
i highly doubt that you could hook up 2 evaporators because of the process of the low pressure liquid liquid going into a low pressure gas throught the first one and it would probably freeze up the 2nd evaporator which would cause the system to work intermittantly
another thing is that it would contradict the part of the water injection which is used to cool down the engine because the a/c also removes humidity from the air which is water.
if you relocated the a/c evaporator out of the cabin and put it in the engine bay and used a high amperage electric motor to run the a/c compressor then it might be worth while. but without changeing it to electric then it wouldnt really make up for moving the evaporator.
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From: Suffolk County, NY
Originally Posted by EVO VIII
I want to invent a system that cools the air comming into the engine by freon ( spelling?) tubes. Just like a fridge. HA
i think for commercial use they use r22 and our cars use r134a
ps r stands for refrigerant
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From: Texas
Originally Posted by phat99accord
to have the a/c idea to work for our hondas we would need to relocate the evaporator somehow in between the air filter and the throttle body. but then that would mean that there would be no more a/c inside the cabin.
i highly doubt that you could hook up 2 evaporators because of the process of the low pressure liquid liquid going into a low pressure gas throught the first one and it would probably freeze up the 2nd evaporator which would cause the system to work intermittantly
another thing is that it would contradict the part of the water injection which is used to cool down the engine because the a/c also removes humidity from the air which is water.
if you relocated the a/c evaporator out of the cabin and put it in the engine bay and used a high amperage electric motor to run the a/c compressor then it might be worth while. but without changeing it to electric then it wouldnt really make up for moving the evaporator.
i highly doubt that you could hook up 2 evaporators because of the process of the low pressure liquid liquid going into a low pressure gas throught the first one and it would probably freeze up the 2nd evaporator which would cause the system to work intermittantly
another thing is that it would contradict the part of the water injection which is used to cool down the engine because the a/c also removes humidity from the air which is water.
if you relocated the a/c evaporator out of the cabin and put it in the engine bay and used a high amperage electric motor to run the a/c compressor then it might be worth while. but without changeing it to electric then it wouldnt really make up for moving the evaporator.
4500rpm hesitation
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From: Hesperia
Originally Posted by wedley2
you would also need to invest in a BOV or wastegate cuz the airflow would be constant and if the engine is at idle with fullblast of cold air, it would mess up the idle, unless you manually control it from the knob. still needs much researching if you want to make it work...
...why?
Unless you were blasting AC *RIGHT* into the runners of the intake MANIFOLD, it wouldnt mess with idle... that big brass butterfly is there for a reason....
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From: Southern NH
Originally Posted by Fryd_Up
just build a box around your intake pipe and fill the bitch with dry ice that can be had at harris teeter for .99 a lb
