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I did some research on your company:

On your website, you claim to have been applying FSS to a 1985 Cougar since new. How is this possible when the patent (5,081,171) was given January 14, 1992.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,081,171

http://www.gardgroup.com/ppspatent.htm

I don't know if you're aware of this but quite frankly, PTFE must be applied in 640 degree temperatures for it to "sinter" or bond to a surface. Crazy internet marketting you have going on here.
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Infact, Dupont realeased a statement way back when, probably before either of us can remember about PTFE and all this automobile hokey pokey. This is from Professional Carwashing & Detailing magazine, January 1989.
My general conclusion is that your company is more about the internet marketting then the actual product because the product itself in various people's usage isn't that great and cannot live up to the claims on your website. Oh, and I'd really like you to clarify how you went back in time with the 1985 Cougar.

 

[QUOTE=redgoober4life]On your website, you claim to have been applying FSS to a 1985 Cougar since new. How is this possible when the patent (5,081,171) was given January 14, 1992.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,081,171

http://www.gardgroup.com/ppspatent.htm

I don't know if you're aware of this but quite frankly, PTFE must be applied in 640 degree temperatures for it to "sinter" or bond to a surface. Crazy internet marketting you have going on here.
get em!!!!! :rick:

 

Hi, I appreciate each of your good/inquisitive questions and coments. Great due diligence! Each one has an answer. So let me answer them one by one. I promise the answers don't involve reverse time-travel a la Superman flying around the world backwards or flux-capacitors (Back to the Future)......

Question: "On your website, you claim to have been applying FSS to a 1985 Cougar since new. How is this possible when the patent (5,081,171) was given January 14, 1992. Oh, and I'd really like you to clarify how you went back in time with the 1985 Cougar?"

5 Star Answer:
You'll see that there are previous patents that are referenced within the 5 Star Shine Patent. The original patent was given in 1979. Since then there have been innovations and improvements. One of those improvements, which is the most significant, came in '92 which is the current formula. The Cougar had been treated using the previous 1979 patent application. Same protection, but just a vastly different application method.

Question/issue:"I don't know if you're aware of this but quite frankly, PTFE must be applied in 640 degree temperatures for it to "sinter" or bond to a surface. Crazy internet marketting you have going on here."

5 Star Answer:
Don't be confused, in the paragraph "BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION" it describes a DIFFERENT PATENT (4,284,668 ). 5 Star Shine remedies and eliminates the "buffing"/heating temperature bonding issue that you/dupont describe which can damage paint unless applied by someone skilled with a cutting buffer. This new patent formula (1992) is different. 5 Star Shine contains NO ABRASIVES. Application is an easy 2 step process using a soft terrycloth towel.

Let me continue to answer the next logical question one would have.... "So then how is it that 5 Star Shine achieves the ability to use teflon in its patented formula?"

Here is how 5 Star Shine chemically works and the unique patented formula that allows for the teflon to protect the car surface:

As the teflon (suspended in the aqueous solution) is applied to the car, the polar attraction of the teflon to the car paint surface holds the teflon in place.

The polar attraction alone won't hold the teflon on the car surface long term. (think of how a magnet would hold metal shavings...... they stick, but you can easily remove them)

This is where the new patent difference/innovation comes in:
Methyltrimethoxysilane (the major chemical in the aqueous solution) is the chemical that is the curing agent on the painted surface which cross links with the teflon to protect against and repel dirt etc..
Interestingly enough, over time, as it cures, the teflon expands while interlinked with the methyltrimethoxysilane and effectively covers the entire surface better than when it was first applied. (you'll notice on the bottle it says that the appearance will continue to enhance over the next 24-48 hours after application.)

I certainly understand your skepticism, I most certainly was initally too. Ultimately people want to know/see that a product works and lives up to the claims it makes. 5 Star Shine does exactly that. I hope that you and others take the plunge and try out 5 Star Shine. Then you can be the first to write in about your conversion followed by a stellar review on this site!

So there is the loooong answer. Hopefully I've explained it well. If you haven't, go and check out the testimonies of those that have applied 5 Star Shine and continue to get the same original shine/protection months after they first applied it. Updates will continue to come in.

Sincerely,
-Chad

Check out the proof by what long-term users are saying!

http://nicoclub.com/forums/showthrea...threadid=45700

http://nicoclub.com/forums/showthrea...threadid=48193

http://nicoclub.com/forums/showthrea...threadid=44819



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now thats a comeback...good work

 

Thanks, I'm just trying to be straight-up since we want to develop the trust of those who are a part of this site.
-Chad

 

I'd try it but there are cheaper products out there that I want to try first. It's on the pricey side, especially when this product is "no-prep" and quite frankly, I like to prep paint and get it looking good before applying protection. And usually twice a year. Oh well, praise on.

 

There are cheaper inferior products out there. It all depends on how often you want to protect your paint and how easy you want your car to be able to be washed. You'll need 5 Star once for over 150+ washes. People just use a mitt and plain water and the dirt comes off like a dry erase board. Takes much less time than having to go back and forth dipping your brush into a bucket. Also when used on your wheels, 5 Star makes them simple to keep clean.... I HATE dealing with brake dust.

Prepping is always something that I would encourage someone to do. In our deluxe kit we provide all that you need in order to do that (clay etc.). Our prices are competitive with other similar products but 5 Star is much easier to apply (there are only 2 easy steps vs. the many steps and drying time of other products.) and will last far longer.


Hopefully you'll be up for trying it out at some point.

-Chad

 

When it's too cold I can't wash my car without quick and easy wash. It's easier then just using a hose and a mitt. I use detergents because they lubricate better then plain water can. I would imagine that even though your sealant creates a "non stick" surface that washing the car with this method has negative effects on the longevity of protection you would recieve.

As for the 2 easy steps versus the many steps of other products: I use various different products together. Not one single line.

 

Hi,
Actually to the contrary, if anything, a detergent will have a negative effect on a protected surface since a detergent is meant to clean and breakdown the surface that it is coming in contact with. If you wanted to use a detergent with the 5 Star it's no problem either way, you won't lose the protection. Though, with just water you'll save time when not having to deal with a bucket. Plus normally, with a detergent, the bucket of water gets progressively dirtier and that is what you'll be dipping your brush into and rubbing on the surface of your car.

It's no big deal if you aren't convinced. There are lots of people out there who have tried it and are now convinced otherwise for the better. Once again, the testimonies I've posted links to on this thread account for that.

-Chad

 

Some more 5 Star Shine on-going user reviews:

http://nicoclub.com/forums/showthrea...threadid=48193