yeah, no spark at the end of the wire, none out of the cap and none at the coil. i had already worked my way back to the coil, and i knew it was getting voltage so i needed to know what was next behind the coil, right now i am looking ionto the igniter possibility. i'll hit up barnes and noble tomorrow for a free look at a service manual for igniter testing procedures.

the igniter will have to be ordered as hondazone.com has it priced at about half of what autozone and advance are asking for it, so i want to check it before buying unlike my coil replacement procedure.

thanks for the suggestions, i'll be checking for codes as well.

btw where in the passenger footwell is this LED light located?

thanks again