tried it. he said he doesn't know after. he just said that when the car was in his hands, he turned it off. tried it again with me there and no go. i think he was full of it. on the civic forum there is a guy with a civic and has the same problem. his heater pack or something is fried? maybe this is it? and if it is a possibility, where is it located? someone told me that it might be something behind the navigation screen but i dont know how to get behind it. -= )any help would be appreciated mr moderator sir -= )