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ehh. i like my tokicos. if u havent used them for what there intended then u havent seen what they can do. my car held the turns pretty damn well on the track. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1104049
I'm on Tokico Struts & Skunk2 Coil overs & i absolutly love my suspension.. i really do put it to the test commin around the turns.. somehow this thing just sticks.