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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
Hmm. Maybe it's not the H22 that needs a dent in the fraim rail. Unless that's only needed on CRX's.
im pretty sure its only on the CRX

the H22 into EG is fairly easy, my buddies and I only had to cut the shifter part
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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Yeah, I've heard so many different numbers on the weight difference between engines I don't know what to believe anymore. The lowest reputable numbers I've found hover between 40-75 lbs. But even if it is only 40, the fact that the majority of the extra weight sits in front of the axles will greatly effect handling and braking stability. Weight distribution is huge in automotive design. If it weren't, automakers wouldn't spend millions in development to swing the ratio of their new sports car from 52/48 to 50/50. And as far as the difficulty of the swap I only know one guy who has done it and he said it was a bitch. Of course, he is an idiot. His car does handle like crap, though.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 07:26 AM
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People i have talked to that have done it say that there is alittle understeer... but if you lightin the whole front end, carbon fiber hood, fenders i think the extra weight of the engine (which isnt as much as everyone says) should even out with the car........
The h22 will haul compared to the b18c over 40foot pounds of torque more.....that is a heck of alot of bolts ons to a b18c and when you do that to a h22 youll still kill it

Hasport has a kit to those who say it is hard, it is a direct drop in with the kit, del sols dont have power steering anyways they have rack and pinion and the s models does not have a/c so im not losing anything. the only thing that has to be removed is the passenger side motor mount but hasport gives you one to put right in its place
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 07:29 AM
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with the h22 you get more for your money, 160+ftlbs and 190+Hp for about $1,600-1,900 i think thats a good number........
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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h22s are cool in my book. id like to have one sleeved, bored and stroked
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
This weight difference stuff was settled over a year ago. The search button will rid you of all the myths behind the H22 being the bastard child of swaps.
werd, I used to be a weight ninny too, but its seriously like a 40 lb difference. The AC on your d16 weighs that much, so yeah, its pretty negligible.

Honestly, for the price, the H22A is a phenominal engine and has way more torque than you'll ever get out of that b18c without a turbo. Throw a turbo on a B18C, and you've spent $5k+ all together and offset any weight advantage you might have had by going b-series.

The swap is a bit trickier, if you're planning on doing it yourself, but HASport has great instructions with their kit and there are TONS of online resouces on how to do the swap, so I wouldn't worry about it. In your shoes, I'd get the H22A in a heartbeat.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by schmi220
Yeah, I've heard so many different numbers on the weight difference between engines I don't know what to believe anymore. The lowest reputable numbers I've found hover between 40-75 lbs. But even if it is only 40, the fact that the majority of the extra weight sits in front of the axles will greatly effect handling and braking stability. Weight distribution is huge in automotive design. If it weren't, automakers wouldn't spend millions in development to swing the ratio of their new sports car from 52/48 to 50/50. And as far as the difficulty of the swap I only know one guy who has done it and he said it was a bitch. Of course, he is an idiot. His car does handle like crap, though.
35-40 lbs will make no noticable difference in handling, I can vouch for that personally.

I removed my AC and all associated hardware and weighed it (38 lbs) and that is at the very nose of the car, out in front of the engine, and I noticed no improvement in handling. Honestly, when you consider the driver is a 200 lb fatass, the gas tank varies from 75 to 0 lbs depending on how full it is (and what model you're driving), your stereo may be upwards of 50 lbs, etc etc etc... this amount of weight is truly negligible. And whoever said that an H22 couldn't pull on a b18c, thats just crazy. More power and more torque = more thrust, duh.

Also a side note, an H22 crx was recently recorded at 1.03 G on a 200 ft skidpad, which is pretty phenominal for a FWD car on DOT tires.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by white_n_slow
35-40 lbs will make no noticable difference in handling, I can vouch for that personally.

I removed my AC and all associated hardware and weighed it (38 lbs) and that is at the very nose of the car, out in front of the engine, and I noticed no improvement in handling. Honestly, when you consider the driver is a 200 lb fatass, the gas tank varies from 75 to 0 lbs depending on how full it is (and what model you're driving), your stereo may be upwards of 50 lbs, etc etc etc... this amount of weight is truly negligible. And whoever said that an H22 couldn't pull on a b18c, thats just crazy. More power and more torque = more thrust, duh.

Also a side note, an H22 crx was recently recorded at 1.03 G on a 200 ft skidpad, which is pretty phenominal for a FWD car on DOT tires.
Doing a H22 isent worth the work that you could do with a B Series. There arent has many options to h motor to a B. And like i said earlier H22 pulls from 100 MPH and up to a b18c. there not all what there cracked up to be.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by b18c1_hatch
Doing a H22 isent worth the work that you could do with a B Series. There arent has many options to h motor to a B. And like i said earlier H22 pulls from 100 MPH and up to a b18c. there not all what there cracked up to be.
Not worth the work is totally subjective. With a decent amount of mechanical aptitude, one could put an H-series into his civic in a weekend, no problem. It doesn't just bolt in with OEM parts like the B might, but the path has been paved and the process has been thoroughly documented countless places. Worth the work to some, maybe not to others.

There are thousands of ways to modify an H-series. Although it's aftermarket support isn't quite as high as the B-series, its higher than just about any non-honda on the planet save the chevy small block.

And you have got to be joking about this 100mph bullplop... An H22A would pull on a b18c from a dead stop to the trap, assuming equal drivers. More power, more torque = a faster car... its totally brainless.

And for those worried about weight distribution (if you could still possibly be worried after my previous posts), simply putting the battery in the trunk would totally offset any F/R weight transfer from the heavier motor/tranny combo.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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god I love these "omgH22Sofakingheaveweightdistroblahblahbalh"

the H22A is a relatively simple swap if you arent a complete fucktard. If you can install a B then you can do an H. I mean they made retarded easy....buy som HASport mounts...and if you start with this "but omg its cable shifted" cry baby crap I am gonna e-slap the shit out of you.

David as usual I commend you for your knowledge and abitlity to see past the H series hater retards.
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