Wet air filter?
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Originally posted by qtiger
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/
The concept concerns me though after reading their disclaimer on that site...whoaaAnyhow, heres a quote from their site:
"The ERL Aquamist system, using sophisticated electronics to process engine-data, injects a precisely-metered quantity of coolant: not gasoline, but water, six times more effective, and freely available! We eliminate fuel-dumping, leaving your air/fuel ratio unaffected, enabling maximum power to be extracted from the engine. To ensure that each cylinder receives exactly the same dosage, we deliver the coolant in a fine mist: not only does Aquamist eliminate piston-ring damage ... it steam-cleans your engine with every stroke"
According to the following quote and more prior to this on their web site, they compare the water injection to regular humidity in the atmosphere... again far different from straight water being sucked in as a result of a wet filter...
"So what is the amount of water being ingested by an engine on a wet and rainy day?
Chart shows the amount of water a 2-litre engine consumes on a typical 45% RH day, at 6000rpm, it draws in 150cc/minute of water.
On average, the engine drinks more water in its life time from the atmosphere than water injection at near WOT, unless of course you live in the desert.
Lastly, the burned air/fuel mixture contains approximately 50% water vapour and 50% Carbon dioxide, so 250cc/min of water from water injection only accounts for less than 1.6% the total output from the exhaust.
If your engine is prone to rust and seizure during a wet season, then water injection is not for you, All engines should function normally under these conditions."
Chart shows the amount of water a 2-litre engine consumes on a typical 45% RH day, at 6000rpm, it draws in 150cc/minute of water.
On average, the engine drinks more water in its life time from the atmosphere than water injection at near WOT, unless of course you live in the desert.
Lastly, the burned air/fuel mixture contains approximately 50% water vapour and 50% Carbon dioxide, so 250cc/min of water from water injection only accounts for less than 1.6% the total output from the exhaust.
If your engine is prone to rust and seizure during a wet season, then water injection is not for you, All engines should function normally under these conditions."
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Originally posted by h22avid
THANKS qtiger... I learned something new today The concept concerns me though after reading their disclaimer on that site...whoaa
THANKS qtiger... I learned something new today
The concept concerns me though after reading their disclaimer on that site...whoaa
That horsepower figure comes from some math and datalogged WOT runs, not a dyno, which is why I gave approximate numbers rather than a dyno chart.
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From: Scranton PA/Longview TX
Originally posted by h22avid
First, it states there that it is a "precisely-metered.. fine mist" which is far from straight water being sucked through your intake. So to incubus I say, it's not "like the same thing." Lets use our heads here.
First, it states there that it is a "precisely-metered.. fine mist" which is far from straight water being sucked through your intake. So to incubus I say, it's not "like the same thing." Lets use our heads here.
and secondly...running air through a damp cloth surface enhances the evaporation of the liquid thats condensed in the cloth, in this case the filter medium. thus, the air drawn into your engine would contain water VAPOR...not liquid water.
SO YES, IT IS KINDA LIKE THE SAME THING. :fawk: (meaning, it won't adversly affect the engine at all...it'll do it good if anything by cooling the intake charge...not that it will help on an N/A civic but still)
side note...i've heard of supra guys can run 25-27 psi on pump-gas with water injection...its awesome...but you didn't know anything about h22avid
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From: NY
Originally posted by NeverBX
its made from cheese cloth, which in general is mostly used for cooking. i cant imagine why it wouldnt be able to stand the heat especially since the engine gives off more heat onto the filter on a short ram when the fans turn on.
its made from cheese cloth, which in general is mostly used for cooking. i cant imagine why it wouldnt be able to stand the heat especially since the engine gives off more heat onto the filter on a short ram when the fans turn on.
http://www.knfilters.com/clningins.htm
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From: East TN
Originally posted by incublinkus
Read my post again buddy... I said water VAPOR...its understood that its a fine mist...water vapor is a saturated GAS state...
Read my post again buddy... I said water VAPOR...its understood that its a fine mist...water vapor is a saturated GAS state...
and secondly...running air through a damp cloth surface enhances the evaporation of the liquid thats condensed in the cloth, in this case the filter medium. thus, the air drawn into your engine would contain water VAPOR...not liquid water.
... I know we've heard this before and here it goes one more time... he never stated how wet it was or how it got wet so I prefer to err on the side of caution rather then blindly leading someone off a cliff. Is it damp or is it soaked from being submerged? We don't know so I would not just say f*** it go ahead and drive it, it wil be fine, because I don't know the exact situation
side note...i've heard of supra guys can run 25-27 psi on pump-gas with water injection...its awesome...but you didn't know anything about h22avid
I have no problem admitting when I don't know something... it's an opportunity to learn... thanks again qtiger for linking us up to aquamist:thumbup:
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Originally posted by NeverBX
man you quote everything. :db:
man you quote everything. :db:
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Originally posted by NeverBX
its made from cheese cloth, which in general is mostly used for cooking. i cant imagine why it wouldnt be able to stand the heat especially since the engine gives off more heat onto the filter on a short ram when the fans turn on.
its made from cheese cloth, which in general is mostly used for cooking. i cant imagine why it wouldnt be able to stand the heat especially since the engine gives off more heat onto the filter on a short ram when the fans turn on.
Originally posted by K&N
DRYING HINTS
Always dry naturally. After
rinsing, shake off all excess water and let the element dry naturally.
DO NOT use compressed air.
DO NOT use open flame.
DO NOT use heat dryers.
Excess heat will shrink the cotton filter media. Compressed air will blow holes in the element.
DRYING HINTS
Always dry naturally. After
rinsing, shake off all excess water and let the element dry naturally.
DO NOT use compressed air.
DO NOT use open flame.
DO NOT use heat dryers.
Excess heat will shrink the cotton filter media. Compressed air will blow holes in the element.
:fawk:
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