8-14 sounds about like what I was thinking. I haven't really considered any other vehicles, I'm VERY picky, and I find very few vehicles appealing. It looks like if my car is totaled, I'll get 8-9k for it, roughly. I see it as an investment for many many years, so I'm willing to put up a little bit of extra money for it. I'm thinking 11k might be my ceiling, but it looks like this can probably get me exactly what I'm looking for if I shop around.