offtheheezay, it's simple. My civic coupe is ten years old, I got it when I graduated high school, It has 215,000 miles on it and spent most of it's life slow as hell. My fastest time to date is 13.2 in the 1/4 and I have spent about 20k on it in mods. I could go out and buy a TT Supra tomorrow or even a used NSX if I wanted too but where is the fun in that? Where would I be if I wrecked it? A car of that stature is way too expensive to mod and way too expensive to insure for most young males. MR2's (Turbos) are okay cars but I know a couple of guys on this board that autocross that would hand most heavily modded MR2's their asses on an autocross course. Hell, I watch stock 140HP Miata's do it all the time. Drag race well that's another story but that's like comparing a stock car to a F1 car. Yes, ricers make the scene look bad IMO but to each his own. most civic owners are 25 or under and have little money. Their no worse than V-6 Mustangs with GT badges and dual exhausts. As Far as 240ZX's and 28ZX's go, well My first car was a 1982 280ZX turbo and while I love that car to this day, I would never trade my civic for one. The 240ZX is no better than a civic without a swap. The stock K series motors are turds. Why do some guys like Camaro's and not Mustangs? Same shit. Yes a stock f body will hand most heavily modded civics their ass but that's a stupid comparison. I love all cars but I choose civics for my weekend performance thrills. I often think of selling both my Civic and my CRX and buying a WRX STI, 350Z, but no matter how much horsepower I started off with I would still want more and the thought of making a 500.00 a month car payment plus insurance and dumping 10-20 grand into to make it a monster on the street is rediculous to me. Yes there are several cars that are a better bang for the buck but they all have their ups and downs. As you can see from my signature, I am primarily a Nissan/Honda man but i love anything that performs well. It's all about what you want out of the car. Personally, when I wash my civic I sit back and think, "Damn that's a sweet car". How many peopel have that kind of love for their car?