well from what i have felt the rain traction is hella better than my stock 185/60/14 and 195/60/14 they suck in rain, NO TRACTION in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd if i'm on it... with these tires i only loose traction shifting gears in the rain, thats all... maybe i got lucky?? or you guys think i'll hate them over stock tires and wish i had stock tires back on? from what hlhiii said about they would start to slide in 30mph anytime the wheel turned, i've take a 45 mph 90 degree turn in the rain and no sliding no nothing just gripping.. i dunno i like them. next tires i'll get is probably Nitto Neo Gens