yea my tib is cheap which is why is cost a lot more than my civic (02 civic sticker 15k paid 14.. tib sticker 18.6k paid 15.6).. ur forgetting iv done the honda thing 2 times, already i know how it goes. and i dont hate them but...obviously i know a thing or two about cars and looked into it.. ..i think the fact that i am a previous owner shows that im NOT BIASED however i know a good deal from a bad deal..if u wanna get fuked by honda (cuz i did)go ahead bend over and take it in the butt.. im just not gunna base my decisions on what the main stream thinks...