let me put it this way. the only thing i like on the new Si is the steering wheel, taillights, and H badge. everything else like performance, exterior design, interior design, etc. sucks ass in my opinion. sure, the interior is designed to be very ergonomical, but it still looks like ass.. *aside from the center console shifter for just a novelty benefit* its still a civic, and the Si is supposed to be the performance model available in the states, yet its slow and weighs like a boat. the factory wheels are ugly as heck. the headlights are ugly. sure throw in some HID's and itll lessen the ugliness simply because the person will be distracted from the headlight housing design and more attentative to the light emitted itself. the seats look like retarded S2000 seats. sure, they might be comfortable, but just like the rest of the interior, its still ugly as heck. oh did i mention its slow? yeah, some people say "well its a new engine give it some time"... ok...then why is it stock for stock, my car which is a 4door integra sedan with a bone stock B20 can whoop a bone stock Si hatch? the K20 is supposed to have more torque and the wow-factor of "i-VTEC" with a shorter geared tranny. the new Si still gets a big :down: from me.