i hope you arent looking for any type of performance out of the es300. that thing sucks my ass, seriously. working at lexus and driving these cars around all day, i must say that the es300 is one of the worst, possibly the rx300. they both suck. i must say that the late model es300's are better than the new ones, but they still suck. all it is is a v6 camry with leather and a softer suspension, which if you are looking for something fun to drive, a soft suspension isnt going to get you far, its taking you in the wrong direction. if you want a lexus, get the is300. its very fun to drive, especially the 5 speed. you could also wait for the new gs to come out later this year, or early spring, i forget when it is. this will take down the price of the older gs if you were interested in those. if you wanted to go the suv route, consider the new gx470 or the rx330, both of those are sweet. well i will quit rambling. consider something other than the es300, honestly.