i might have to rethink the lip idea again. i saw this tight as lip on a 94-95 accord sedan just like mine where i work (in astoria/long island city area) i never seen that lip b4 it was low and stuck forward. i wanted to ask the owner where he got it but couldnt find the person. hopefully i'll see him one day and ask. it was a blue accord w/ s-type tails parked on 33rd street (just in case the person is a HAN member) he also had a tight idea about where to move the license plate (just under the bumper light) never thought of that and made all the visual difference. maybe if i can steal a digi cam for a moment i can post a pic (minus his plate) and see if any1 knows the lip i'm talking about