this is stupid... hyundais arent any worse than all of our civics they were slow as shit from the factory..all of us overpaid too.. my new civic is a piece..if im getting a piece of shit either way fuk that.. the tib is cheaper and a hell of a lot nicer..i dont know about you but my civic didnt come with leather anything, no alarm, no spoiler.. no nothing..just some power windows...... stop being so close minded...maybe were just all pissed cuz we paid too much for our cars to begin with now we gotta dump butt loads of money into them to make um go anywhere close to fast..