if you take the turnpike all the way to the carlisle exit or take the carlisle exit off of 81 you'll have a 12 mile backup. those are the 2 ways to not go. theyre packed from 10am til 7pm. i went a different way and my friend took the turnpike and it took me 20 minutes and it took him 4 hours. we left at the same time and same place. he just thought he would be quicker. i had my car washed, parked, detailed, registered, chatted a little, then he showed up