i am in no way talking $hit about hondas...i would most likely have a honda if i didn't have my nissan...

my 200sx se weighs about 2390 with my sub. and base and se models are really very different apart from having the same ga16de engine...i have a friend witha base model '98 200 and i beat him by a good 6-7 cars with my '97 se, both sticks.