Originally posted by dantastic
wat i was tryin to get at is that they're not "keys", just 7 sided sockets. you can actually jam a 17mm on it and take it off. all kyogens come with the same socket, while locks are different from each other
true.....the extra security is that they'll strip their kyo keys trying to steal mine :chuckles:....or have a hard time trying with a socket after the lugs seize :exnbp: