Agreed. I have an '02 EX with these tires; performance and weather-wise, they are shyt. Car and Driver and Motortrend have both said that these tires "hate this car" and it's the truth. There's much better touring tires out there. These tires are designed for fuel efficiency and a quiet, comfortable ride, not performance by any means. I was hoping the tread would run down quickly since this is common for factory tires, but reading some of the posts in this thread, I'm thinking I may have these tires as long as I have the car. Crap...