yeah fawk that, im just gonna jump on the Kumhos 712s for me and my girl. if i can get the AVID cheaper, ill get them for her ride b/c she doesnt drive aggressive at all, unlike myself. im just worried about the 280 treadwear, when i get the new tires im gonna be putting in my camberkit and aligning the car so it should be better than my camber wear now. but im still kinda sceptical. they dont make a 45/hr16 w/ the treadwear of 360 in that size