I love my illuminas, but I think if I had it to do again I would have gone with koni yellows, illuminas are great, but they don't go quite as stiff as I'd like for my real onry days, the soft setting is like a caddy, but the firm is like a stock M3, stiff but not ferrocious, one of my friends has the same neuspeeds I have with konis and his firmest setting it's crazy, it's kidney bleeding hard, great for the weekend jaunt up the mountain. illuminas are much better than stock, but if you're looking for blood in your piss, then they aren't for you