ok thanks ddd4114... I think i will try to tighten up the ac belt first because the ac belt doesnt have any cracks on it so it actually looks in better shape than the power steering and alternator belts... Thanks for good info.. Will keep looking into replacing them before i do so I can make it happen quick... Ill look into also why the jack is needed under the oil pan.. Thanks alot for the tips guys... I had other problems with the car right before this and almost thought I was going to have to put this 98 civic away for good?.. Glad there is still folks here to reply if we need help on our older hondas.. thanks