have you actually ever used a 360 though. XBOX Live isn't about the acheivements and points, it's game play and the way it intertwines friends and other gamers is light years ahead of Sony's online experience. I have been a Sony whore from PS1/PS2 and was intending on a PS3 but they lost me on their introductory price on the PS3. I bought the 360 and never looked back. I will prob pick up the new PS3 at 299 as a Blu-Ray player that could also maybe one day play a game or two.