yeah I hit them back when I bought my Taylor Mades and I just didn't think I was quite ready to make the jump to forged. I wish I wouldn't have been a pussy back then and just went for it. I have been through about 500 golf balls with these so far and I am really starting to get a handle on their workability. The downside is they are waaaaaaaaaaay less forgiving on a mishit than their cavity back counterparts, but the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.