good point. But this is indiana. We don't have smog laws and the last cheapo muffler i had on my accord was fine for almost a year till i could get a nice one. I dont' think i've ever known anyone for getting pulled over for noise. I know quite a bit of harley folks and they don't even have mufflers. Just straight pipes, i little much for me. Trying to spend money on my other car before this one though.