Originally Posted by
DVPGSR
Andy, just because a pipeline was supposed to be built does not meant that was the reason we went there. That is the most rediculous conspiracy theory on the whole War on Terror. Do you really think that we went to war over a pipeline as opposed to eliminating the Taliban and going after Al Qaeda? Whoever honestly believes that is beyond the hope of reason.
This is not a reason for going there in the first place, but this is a product of capitolizing the situation. It is propaganda that has failed.
Originally Posted by
DVPGSR
Whoever said you or wisconsin were a failure? That is completely irrelevent to the discussion and was never brought up. As for President Bush being a failure you know I disagree with you, and so do a majority of Americans. Do I agree with everything he does? No, I have my gripes with him, but to consider his administration a failure shows an incompetence to understand the facts. I also disagreed a lot more with President Clinton as opposed to President Bush but his administration was not a failure either. Both men did or are doing what they believe is right for this country and us citizens.
I went off track and was loading an argument against Tommy Thomson, ex gov of WI. I take it back...I tend to rant and take things off course. While I can find ways to justify this, it would, and should be broken apart in multiple discussions that would make it all relative.
Originally Posted by
DVPGSR
Also, I agree with Eisenhower, those programs should not be abolished unless they are replaced with a better alternative to address the concerns with today's society. He would not be considered a socialist or communist for expressing those views today. If, and this is a big IF, he wanted to raise taxes through the roof to arbitrarily and wantonly expand those programs then he would get that label. But to support something that makes sound sense does not.
I do honestly think that you like to find fringe arguments and conspiracy theories that really hold no water to back up your assertions that today's Republicans are evil. When you use well known and established facts your arguments are very good...but when your arguments are based on a foundation of weak arguments you house cannot stand in the face of the winds of scrutiny.
This is relative arguments but it would require a full on discussion that would take page upon page to deconstruct. I'm just going to throw in the flag and say you win
