Originally Posted by M Type X
What's wrong with an Accord EX-V6 or a TSX? They are key players in that range, unless you like the Altima SE-R.
Accord sedan V6 = no manual = no care.
The TSX is nice, but too pricey. That thing should be sold as a separate model in a Honda dealership (just call it the Euro-R, no Accord in the name, and get rid of the leather, sunroof, HIDs, fancy stereo) for $23K. Then Honda should stop being lazy and design an Acura version with different styling and all the luxo crap and overcharge people for it.
I am not a fan of Nissan at all. The SE-R is OK, but doesn't really excite me.
The MazdaSpeed6 and the Legacy turbo are the only cars that would fit my desires, but I don't like that Subaru is making leather standard in all the turbo cars.
So I would be excited to see Hyundai (or anyone else) offer a midsize sedan with V6 and stick-shift, a well-sorted and safe chassis, and cloth for under $25K.