Originally Posted by jaje
first of all don't put words in my mouth...you clearly did not read my post properly and have labeled it some nonsense word "defeatist"...if that's the way you need to argue to label something then so be it...i'll keep a high road and not throw someone into some main bracket so you can write them off
I will not put words in your mouth...
the US will never come out victorious in Iraq
Sounds like you have resigned yourself to the fact we will be "defeated" in Iraq.
2nd of all don't make irrelevant analogies to my post...WW2 was not the same as the IRAQ occupation by any means nor the same motivations...most importantly note that Iraqis by far dislike the US no matter the fact that we ousted Saddam, where Europe and the Phillipines (proper spelling) were overtaken by an agressor and we were the rescuer...plus don't even say that we are there to prevent terrorism...we are there for oil and you are lying to yourself if that wasn't our main motivation
It is perfectly relevent...in WW2 we stuck with the fight and saw it through, whereas in Vietnam the public gave up even though the North Vietnamese never won a military victory. Do we want Iraq to turn out like WW2 or Vietnam? I know my choice.
man you sound like a fox news highlight "war on terrorism"
Do you even watch Fox News??
1st off...the bathist party still holds power and is part of the disruption...what proof do you have otherwise?...in fact the most unstable and unmanageable regions are where Saddam's most loyal followers are...you think b/c they found some 50 odd high ranking officials it's over?...think again
The Baath (proper spelling
) party is illegal in Iraq, there may be remnants fighting against the coalition presence in Iraq but the majority are foreign fighters.
2nd...foreign terrorists are now in Iraq b/c of us!...they weren't there before b/c they were a threat to Saddam's power and he was ruthless with their treatment just like everyone else
False! Abu Musab Al Zarqawi was given medical aid and treatment in Baghdad after being injured fighting coalition forces in Afghanistan. Abu Nidal was also given sanctuary in Iraq by Saddam. Both were there before the Iraq invasion in 2003.
3rd...some Iraqi's don't prefer americans but most hate us
According to who? The majority of the unbiased opinions I have read and listened too suggest otherwise.
4th...the taliban and al qaeda were in afghanistan and we had every right to invade in retaliation...however al qaeda was not in Iraq until after we ousted Saddam...in fact if you really want to go after those bastards Saudi Arabia is the foundation of al qaeda and Osama place of birth and instruction
See my response to #2. There were also terrorist training camps in Iraq and documentation that is now being translated from Saddam's government indicates there were ties to terrorists.
5th...if you read my post properly instead of this knee jerk reaction post you'd see i'm discussing if we'd ever be successful (my answer is no)...i never made the slightest notion to pull out of iraq (another assumption you incorrectly made)...my main point is we should have never been there in the first place (Desert Storm was only validated as we freed Kuwait to asked for our help)
I did not make a knee jerk reaction. For your clarification I quoted you above and in the quote directly above this you validate my argument. Thank you. And if you had correctly read my post you would have clearly seen that I was not attributing pulling the troops out to you. Let me quote what I said...
and if anyone thinks that us pulling out of Iraq will make that stop then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
Nowhere in my quote does it say, nor imply, "you".
You have every right to not agree with going to Iraq and are free to express your opinion thereof. However, while our troops are still in harms way I take great exception to people claiming they will be unsuccessful. You may dislike President Bush and his Administration, the reasons for going to war, and the fact that we did. But atleast support the troops so they can finish thier job victoriously and be able to come home.