i know alot of people with turbo cars, and most just buy the 900 kit from ssautochrome and call it a day. needless to say, since they have no working knowlege of motors, they are constantly, sometimes as often as every weekend, rebuilding it, ordering parts etc. i have ridden in alot of them and they are fast. i do not discount the fact the of turbo beats na, but i am talking 5-9 lbs of boost, not the 11-25lbs. i am a driver. i like to use my skills to win races. and i have taken modded na cars and beat lower or improperly tuned turbos. (and even though it isnt nice tosay, but when ya see shoot a rod through the oil pan at 100mph or see it start to smoke like hell or any other mechanical mishap due to stupidity or laziness (not wanting to learn why it broke or how to fix it or prevent it from happening again) it kinda makes me feel good. i do not wish bad things on people, but some of em are cocky and deserving of all they get, they claim to have alot of knowledge, but look dumfounded when they are picking up parts off the street and wondering what they were.)

price to turbo a civic $1500-3500, price to mod a na civic 800-2250. seeing the look on the driver of the turbo after you beat him in a na civic......priceless

i am not knocking the turbo setup, but locally there are a lot of good cars being passed up for awards at shows and competitions simply because they are turboed. seems here lately there are alot of judges looking down their noses.

another thing is, there are alot of cats running hondas and other imports around here that wont race a turbo car. all they have is exhaust, rims (which add at least 500HP) nice paint, maybe cold air, and that is the extent of them. and there are alot of close matchups, but alot of them dont know anything about building a motor to perform. like me... i dont know squat about turbos, just what i have read from many forums and i have seen alot of dyno sheets, but i have not seen any dynoes for highly modded properly tuned na motors. i want to see what i can build for under 3 grand. and i want to pull up beside one of these guys on the interstate and blow the doors off, and get accused of having turbo, or have them ask for my advice on how to make their car perform without turbo) turbo is like anything else. some people want it, others dont. some can afford it some cant. and alot of the people around here that can afford turbo, cant afford to maintain it. some get the main components and try to rig the rest and wonder why the performance isnt there, or why other parts are failing every week.


another big factor.. it is my daily driver, and i dont have the cash for a turbo set up, needless to say, i cannot wait to buy all the parts needed to properly build and tune for turbo, at least not to the extreme that i want to take it. i dont want to waste my time in a stock bottom end pushing 8lbs. but since i cannot afford 900 for pistons and rods to support the turbo i want, mind you i cant drive it on that low of compression while i am saving to buy the turbo. so since i will need bigger injectors and fuel pump and all that other stuff to compliment the turbo anyway i will add it to it, but if i am happy with the performance of my na i will leave it alone. since i have 3 blocks i may build a turbo motor from that later and make a profit and use the cash to build mine the way i want it. so in a nutshell, stock pistons are too slow for me, and turbo is out of my price range for now. since i need a running car, higher compression is my choice. and honestly... if i do plan to turbo a motor, it will be a b20 or h22, something larger than a d16. the walls are just too thin for my liking. or something using a twin turbo setup. but for now, i miss my civic, and really hate driving the parents only car, women just dont dig handicap plates... wonder why that is. thanks again for all the help.