thanks for the feedback guys, i looked at those group n's random mentioned and i must say i like those too, and they arent that much either... hmm now im in a dilemma the flights or n's.... quick question, would 17's fit or would they rub once i drop? i kno i had 16's on before and they seemed to have about a 2 inch gap still but with a 1.5 inch drop im guessing that gap would go bye bye...