I agree completely... they are bad to me because they are HEAVY and big and will make your car noticably slower, and i am trying to go fast... but given you are lookign for 17's for your civic, i will assume that going fast is not your main concern... so given that, i say go with them, who cares... i have not heard any actual evidence that would make me think that they will peel, bend, or crack sooner than any other wheel... white is a ***** to keep clean.. i would give that some thought, but besides all that i say WHY NOT..:thumbup: