my mistake, i though only the 4th gen was the red-headed step child of honda, now i know when i buy a new one to make sure its at least a 6th. yeah for my screws on the back i just popped the head with a cutting torch, they are just to hold the rotor on during assembly of the vehicle. so if you don't replace them just use a lug nut to hold the rotor on untill you get your caliper on.