oh, I'll fully give him that. Except for maybe an Si, any newer Audi is gonna smoke a stock civic. He's just a close minded prick, thats all. There are a TON of close minded pricks around here though too. There are people like him (domestic people, euro people) who think anything japanese is slow and ricey, but then you get people around here who are like "oh, its not made in Japan, well then its crap. I don't care how fast it is. That guy's camaro/mustang/etc can run 12 seconds or less...well, at least my civic doesn't ever break while its running 17s." It just comes down to the fact that there are a lot of closed minded ignorant people out there. I love cars...bottom line. Why do I drive a honda? Because they're relatively cheap, and you can't find a more reliable car. On that same note, when I get some extra money, I want an older mustang as project/weekend car. I don't care where its made, if a car is nice, I'll like it and give it its credit....I'm just so tired of these close minded people :angry: If you are a true automobile enthusiast, who makes a car or where its from should make little difference to you.