Ok i think i figured it out. It was formatted for mac, it ended up letting me reformat for windows then the battery died so it wouldn't do anything execpt "usb device not recognized". The only charger i have is one for my cigarette lighter in my car, so i sat there to let it charge for a while, and now i connect it and it detected it in itunes . So do they make a charger that plugs into the wall since mine doesn't charge through usb, i didn't see those at the store today so i dunno.

Edit: One more thing
I have the wire that has both usb and firewire, will the ipod charge through the firewire if i hook that up, (3rd gen ipod) The reason i ask this question without simply trying it myself is because i have a firewire card that is not installed so i was seeing if anyone knew without me having to get off my lazy ass to install it just to see if it would charge, also i read dont connect both the usb and the firewire to the computer at the same time, is that true?