O.K. Put the S2000 up against a Cobra, and yes, it lags behind a bit. BUT, Cobras are overpriced, anyway, so you pay $40,000 for a car worth 30 grand at best, whereas you pay 32 grand for a car worth 32 grand in the S2000. I've been talking about the GT Mustang, not a Cobra (of which only about 5,000 will be made this year and 3 times as many will be made of the S2000) I see an S2000 on the street now at least once a week. I have yet to see a new Cobra, and see very few older Cobras, so there is that factor you must keep in consideration that we are talking about everyday vehicles. Hell, an Acura NSX is alot better as an every day vehicle than a Cobra. Just talk to some people who own them. As for that snip from C/D, the cars were CLOSE to stock, but they weren't 100% stock. I don't care if the only thing you change are the tires, it's not stock. And I think that's the key in this. I'm not saying Hondas are the best at everything, but they do better than you think. Think about this: my boss owns a 1979 Trans Am with a 403 and an automatic. Ever since I bought my Prelude he's been busting my you know what's. So finally, last week I told him I'd be willing to race for some beers and he turned me down and hasn't talked about it since. Now, neither myself or my car is intimidating, but I just don't think he likes to race people he doesn't know for sure if he'd beat them.