Originally Posted by Nightshade
OK now we are getting somewhere because for as much as you may think I am far left and as much as I think you are far right we agree on this point.
Good =].
Originally Posted by Nightshade
Problem is though that the people have been trained to stop looking at the issues and instead move to party line politics. They will vote for a rep or a pres simply because he or she is of the same party but leave the political stance on issues completely by the wayside.
That's true, but who's fault is that? It's not our governments fault. I see nothing but ads from my local and state government, and even the federal government, urging and pleading for us to get out and vote, vote vote vote!!!
While I do agree with "the power is with the party," I think if people aren't willing to re-evaluate their own party, or what that party is voting on and allowing then it doesn't work. Nonetheless, we can't blame the politicians for that, afterall -- we have the power to place them there -- or remove them. If the general public refuses to do so, that's their fault.
Originally Posted by Nightshade
It's ok that we disagree on this matter but I think his entiere cabinet has been pretty shady in more than a few areas and it has had a negative impact on the US, it's allies, and in general has done more damage than good in many areas.
Yes the war on terrorism needed to be fought and I have said this many times, but I have also said many times over that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism and was more of a vendetta. This is ifor all intense purposes a treasonous act because it puts my friends and yours as well who took an oath to protect the US and its society unecessarily into harms way, which is something he took oath not to do.
I'll just have to agree to disagree with you there. I do see Iraq as part of the war on terrorism, I have before the WMD "threat," and I have after.
Originally Posted by Nightshade
Now I am going to catch hell for stating what I have and that is fine I expect it, but try to look at it from as close to legal description and see what I am trying to point out.
The longer the voting population sits idly by and lets these things happen the more we move towards a totalitarian state...and once it happens it will be nearly impossible to reverse it and its concequences.
I see what you're saying, both from the legal and emotional aspect of things. I disagree with you on some parts of it, and agree with you on others.
The last line about the voting populating sitting idly by is completely correct.
Again though, who's fault is that? It certainly isn't George W. Bush, John F. Kennedy, Senator McCain, Howard Dean, or any of the even more corrupt leaders in our political system.
We only have one person to blame for that.