I ran 14.4 with intake header exhaust, I want to get the best out there for my car so if I were to get new cams I would have to go with the toda's but $$$ is the problem, don't have enough of it. I know I have all the other things and they cost $$ too but it took alot of hard work and time, but right now need the vtec problem solved and then will work on getting the ecu and other things down the line, there are endless things I want for the ITR. When I got all those other things for the car I was still single and put the first 23k on the car when I was dating my wife so now the ITR is being babied and have my 2nd boy on the way so buying car parts is being put aside for buying baby needs.