u know i think this argument is BS, everyone is bais about it u put this in the teg froum and it will be teg all the way, needless to say i have raced ludes on the track, and i have never been beaten, which is not to say that is a shittier car or anything like that, maybe they were just shitty drivers, and maybe the people that race GSR's and win our shitty drivers who knows. point been they are both nice cars, get over it!!, stop baggin on one or the other lets act like we are older then 2, and stop quoting Bull Sh**... What shmoo said is true and the otherdave, those are pretty much the average times now u can either deal with it or not that is up to everyone, but seirously both really nice cars, who cares which one is faster there is always someone with a faster car that is for certain