there's a difference in the context of HAN, because people are going to be more likely to trust the new york times. otherwise, i don't personally read the NY times on a daily basis either, so i try not to form an opinion based on what others say. my original point to bonzo was that simply bringing up fox news (and only fox news) wasn't going to do him much good, since most on this board aren't likely to take it seriously. but he provided a bunch more links, so i think that validates the story, and brings into question why CNN isn't picking it up. but they'll do it eventually - sometimes they're slow about things. i've seen things reported on CNN tv, and take hours to make it onto the website.