Thanks Champ, Isee lip spoiler, looks good.So you just had to drill holes & that's it. So speaking of Golf/Jetta III what years are you talking. Don't keep up with the Watercooled VW's. Between the 2 I'll do the Teg since they might be easier to find. I'll Hollar Oh, the picture you took of the white 4 door looks good. You really had to get low to take it.